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Harry Longfield - a lost cause?

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Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 17 Nov 2012 23:30

Residents of a house 41.2 in Maylor Street (part of) (No.2 Urban, North Centre, Cork)
1901 Irish Census

Longfield Mary 53 Female Head of Family Roman Catholick Cork City House Keeper Read and write - Widow -
Longfield Frank 21 Male Son Roman Catherlick Cork City Conductor on Train Read and write - Not Married -
Longfield Agustin 19 Male Son Roman Catherlick Cork City Carpenter Read and write - Not Married -
Longfield Harry 16 Male Son Roman Catholic

(just adding above to the 'pot'!)

Chris :)


brummiejan Report 17 Nov 2012 23:34

I can't see that census on Ancestry Choccy. In passing, Mary's father was a carriage lamp maker, so maybe there was some connection there! But Harry remains as elusive as ever. No idea why he didn't sign up, unless as a worker in a munitions factory he was exempt?

I would quite like to have found the above family on another census, but not a sign.

Jill - that basically leaves Friday!! Or Monday at a push.

ADDED Aha! And interestingly there is a Cateswell House on the previous page.

1851 England Census

Name: Nora A A Holden
Age: 9 Mo
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Howard A Holden
Mother's Name: Mary E Holden
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Yardley, Worcestershire, England

Civil parish: Yardley
County/Island: Worcestershire
Country: England

Registration district: Solihull
Sub-registration district: Solihull

Howard A Holden 24
Mary E Holden 24
Nora A A Holden 9 Mo
John Kimnersley 70
Charles Anderton 20
Catherine Pactt 18

Jan x


JustDinosaurJill Report 17 Nov 2012 23:40

Thanks Choccy.

Think I am going to have to list several properties either side of Cateswell Cottage and see if the library has a map detailed enough to let me plot the position of each one.

But I've just had another thought Jan. Solihull has maps too. It wouldn't matter that Hall Green now comes under Birmingham. Maybe they'd have the relevant ones for the time when it was part of Solihull.

I forgot. I'm sure I joined the Heritage website ages ago. I need to head for bed but will look to see if I can post a request for help on there.


Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 17 Nov 2012 23:44

British Army Service Records 1760-1915
First name(s): Alexander
Last name: LONGFIELD
Calculated year of birth: 1878
Parish of birth: St Peter & Pauls
Town of birth: Cork
County of birth: Cork
Age at attestation: 18 years 6 months
Attestation date: 12 March 1896
Attestation soldier number: 2952
Discharge rank:
Discharge corps: Royal Munster Fusiliers - 101st & 104th Foot
Discharge soldier number:
The National Archives reference: WO96 / 1213 / 172

(address as 1901 Irish Census above, occ. Carpenter) No family names given.

Chris :)

edits (above also on Ancestry, where family are given, no mention of Harry, too young?)


brummiejan Report 17 Nov 2012 23:53

Thanks for the replies Chris - we crossed posts I think!
I suspect the Irish Alexander might be a red herring maybe. Interestingly though, just looking fat all Longfields in Ireland, they seem to be quite affluent on the whole. One of my rellies tells me that her mother (a child of Harry and Mary) recalled visits from a well-to-do Irish lady when she was a child.
If I had to speculate I would guess he was an illegitimate child of a servant, possibly to a Longfield, and she was shipped off to England to have him.
Or maybe not!!!


JustDinosaurJill Report 17 Nov 2012 23:58

Sorry Jan. I was still on page one and didn't spot your latest reply. Monday is a push but I can ask the family about Friday.

Talk about complicated; Yardley - Solihull Reg District - Worcestershire!!!! No one stands a chance if you think about it :-S :-S :-S :-S

Not sure if working in a munitions factory was a reserved? occupation. Isn't that one of the factory occupations that women took over doing. I'm sure I remember reading about the side effects they all suffered because of the 'ingredients' in the workplace atmosphere. It's the reason I'm not bad at quizzes. My head is full of vague pieces of information that would otherwise be considered a waste of space.

Just Googled and found this.

The female workers were called Munitionettes - with so many men in uniform, women became the bulk of the factory work force.

Working in munition factories in WW1 was dangerous, hard work. The workers were exposed to dangerous chemicals and poisons with little or no protection as well as explosives. Women in some of the factories were nicknamed canaries because their skin took on a yellow hue due to exposure of sulphur. Approx 400 women, who worked in the factories, died from handling shells with TNT in them, during the war. (The workers dealt with nitric and sulphuric acids, nitroglycerine and gun cotton and other ingredients that made the shells, bullets etc.)


brummiejan Report 18 Nov 2012 00:02

Jill, I have a feeling the library archives have already closed Mondays, now I think of it?
Let me know re. Friday.
Off to bed soon, speak to you tomorrow.
Thanks for the input everyone. Told you it was a corker!
jan ;-)


brummiejan Report 18 Nov 2012 19:18

Hi Jill, are you there? I was right - remembered from previous visit. The only days archives are open are Weds-Fri.
If you can make Thurs early-ish, or Friday, let me know. If not I feel I shall have to give it a go, but 2 heads definitely better than one in this case!
jan <3


JustDinosaurJill Report 18 Nov 2012 20:25

Hi Jan.

Meant to check earlier and get back to you.

Dtr says nothing on Friday for us as far as she knows.

R not got anything planned either.

Friday for us then?

Going to find where some of Sydney's art is. I'm certain there is something in the Town Hall and the Cathedral. I'd like to go and look at it if it's accessible.

What time does the library open? I'll come in by train. It costs a bit more than the bus which will be full, rough to ride and take an hour each way. Even if the train isn't straight through from Solihull (10 mins) it's only going to be 20 minutes. It's clean and comfortable and doesn't do my back in trying to counter being jolted all the time on the bus :-(



brummiejan Report 18 Nov 2012 20:29

Sounds good to me Jill.
The library is open 10-6 on Friday. I always get the train too, much easier.
How do you fancy the morning - 10.30 maybe?


JustDinosaurJill Report 18 Nov 2012 20:38

Fine by me Jan. Shall I bring pasta salad for our lunch? I'm sure there must be somewhere we can sit.


brummiejan Report 18 Nov 2012 20:41

OK, a picnic it is! I'll bring something too.
I'll double-check with the library tomorrow. Out all day but will get back to you well before the day.
Looking forward to it!


JustDinosaurJill Report 18 Nov 2012 20:57

Okay Jan. No worries. Just let me know when you can. It's brilliant to be able to plan to do something other than paint and decorate :-D

I'm looking forward to it too.



Vanessa Report 19 Nov 2012 04:43

Just an aside from your thread Jan, I am deflated to hear that the research room is closed! I have a trip to the UK (Im in oz) in February, and as OH is staying behind, I had free time to go and play in the records!

Oh well, might have to be a different branch of the family and across the border to Staffordshire!

Makes me feel 'at home' reading this thread :-D

Also, along the No.11 bus route is/was GKN Sankey - were they involved in munitions during the war??

Fingers crossed your man turns up


Andrew Report 19 Nov 2012 08:16

Re earlier post. The No 11(Outer Circle) bus route started in 1926. I worked in an office on the route in 1976 when they had a celebration of '50 years of going round in circles'.



JustDinosaurJill Report 19 Nov 2012 10:24

Thanks Andrew. Brilliant bit of ephemera (is that what they call it?) and going into my records.


I've just looked at the website and it's ten months until the new library opens.

In the meantime, there's always Dudley Records Office which might be useful to you.

Interesting question about GKN Sankey which I'll look to see if I can answer.

Why don't you meet up with myself and Jan when you're over here? We can go and explore some places together.

What's your area in Birmingham?

Nice to have some more Brummies.



Andrew Report 19 Nov 2012 12:22

The Birmingham back to backs are always worth a visit if they are open.



JustDinosaurJill Report 19 Nov 2012 15:06

I want to visit the Jewellery Quarter too. Lots of hubby's people there. I might have had time to sort them out by Vanessa's visit if she fancies it too.

Andrew are you anywhere near by now? Would you be interested if when Vanessa is over if she would like to, we organise some places to go or an evening in a Harvester somewhere?

Jan. Are you up for this too?



brummiejan Report 19 Nov 2012 17:17

Hi folks.

Always up for a trip out! Especially if food is involved.

For shame, I have never visited the back-to-backs - thanks for that reminder Andy. I really should as one of my ancestors lived on Inge Street for a while, so I am guessing their house was similar. Not been to the jewellery quarter either!!
Well. they do say you never see what is on your doorstep.

Vanessa, when Jill & I visit the library I shall inquire about whether there are any possible ways of researching during the closure. In the meantime, if you get back before Friday, let us know if there is anything we can look up for you.



JustDinosaurJill Report 19 Nov 2012 17:37

I bought a book recently about the back-to-backs. Jan knows how busy I've been for a while now. I've sorted out a few books to read first now that I have a bit of time. Must put that one on the pile.

Hope you had a good day Jan. <3