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Harry Longfield - a lost cause?

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brummiejan Report 4 Jan 2013 11:35

Congrats Vanessa! Fantastic news. Bet you are bursting with pride.

On a more mundane note, I have had a PM from Deborah which must have been prompted by you nudging my thread, so thanks for that!

'Subject: Harry Longfield

If Harry died in Leeds in 1956 then he was born in 1890
There is no births for that year for someone of that name so if his mother was Irish then it is possible that he was born in Ireland so suggest you look at the Irish records for that year? '

Thanks Deborah. Now I need tips re. Irish records!!!



Vanessa Report 4 Jan 2013 05:09

Hi Jan/Jill

A little after the event, but thought I would let you know that we have been blessed with a beautiful Granddaughter - Ellie-May, born just before christmas!

Cant wait til February :-D


brummiejan Report 21 Nov 2012 13:45

I know!
Thanks for this Jill, have seen your email and the link from forum. Very interesting!
Ta for birthday wishes too.


Gins Report 21 Nov 2012 13:43

No problem Jan, I knew you would have seen it

Seems our Jill has been busy :-D


brummiejan Report 21 Nov 2012 13:37

Hi Gins.
I did see that one, and have pretty much ruled it out, basically because there is nothing to definitively rule it in!
This Harry is still in Menston in 1911 living with his family. I appreciate this proves nothing, but I am unsure why he would put totally different details for his father on the marriage cert if he were this Harry. I know I can't absolutely rule him out but what little I have just doesn't tie up.
Thanks for looking for me though, I do appreciate it.


JustDinosaurJill Report 21 Nov 2012 13:16

I've had a reply from a gentleman on Birmingham History Forum. His message is as follows.

Cateswell was a large house on the Stratford Road, almost opposite which Cateswell Lane was later built and developed. Green Road ran to the north of the estate, and so any cottages on the north side would , probably, have an address in Green Road. The maps below show the area in c 1905, c1915 and c 1937, I think therefore that cateswell cottage(s) would have been the attached pair of cottages on green road in all three maps. They do not seem to be there now on google.

He also attached the maps but obviously I've not pasted on to here but think I can forward it to an e-mail if anyone wants it.



JustDinosaurJill Report 21 Nov 2012 10:28

Morning Gins.

Eeek I forgot.



Gins Report 21 Nov 2012 09:39


You have ruled this one out I guess?

Name: Harry Longfield
Birth: abt 1886 - Menston, Yorkshire, England
Residence: 2 Apr 1911 - Menston, Yorkshire-West Riding, England

West Yorkshire, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1910
Name: Harry Longfield
Birth Date: 13 Aug 1886
Parish: Otley, All Saints
Baptism Date: 24 Sep 1886
Father's Name: Lawson Longfield <<Coachman
Mother's Name: Sarah Ann Longfield

Happy Birthday :-D


JustDinosaurJill Report 21 Nov 2012 09:20

Maternal lot - Aston.

I think that many people would be very surprised if they realised how big Aston Parish was. Sometimes I forget and I'm still 'Wow' when it jumps back at me.

It's why I always recommend when using FreeBMD to include Aston aswell as Birmingham in their searches. Or even better - use Warwickshire.

Of course then there's KN but we've done that one already on here. :-S :-S :-S :-S

Vanessa, of course you can keep it open. It will be lovely to see you but your family may not want to share you with us. :-D

Your grandfather sounds like a lovely person. And the fact that you never knew about it just adds weight to him being the humble man you knew him to be.

Keep in touch and we want to know when your first grandchild arrives please.



wisechild Report 21 Nov 2012 07:18

What a generous man.
Your family seem to come from my old stomping ground. I was born in Ward End & lived most of my life in Castle Bromwich/Hodge Hill.
Hope you have a lovely visit.


Vanessa Report 21 Nov 2012 05:17

Hi ladies
Thank you so much for the invitation - can we keep it open at this point? I am coming over to meet my first grandchild, who is due to arrive 19th December!

I know my son is planning all sorts and I havent told my mom yet - going to surprise her :-D

It would be lovely to meet with you both and Jan particularly I know has helped me on one or two occasions in the past!

My family (& step family) seem largely to originate in all areas Aston - Erdington, Castle Bromwich, Aston, Ward End and so on. As you will know Aston was a huge parish!

A little snippet of meaningless info (other than for my sentiment), but my grandparents used to live in the 'back to backs' in Rocky Lane, Aston when my grandfather had a reasonable win on the football pools! He paid for most of the street to go on a soujourn to Blackpool and paid for running water to be supplied to their homes! Given that he was a humble man with a sizable family (my dad being 1 of 10), I find that a truly remarkable gesture. Such a shame I didnt hear about this before he passed away!


brummiejan Report 20 Nov 2012 23:05

Hi Jill.
Thanks for that. Well, you never know!
See you Fri.


JustDinosaurJill Report 20 Nov 2012 20:18

Thanks for this Wisechild. One more thing for me to do unless Jan gets to it first.

Some of the names are obvious like those (off the top of my head) in one area of Birmingham I worked in named after Prime Ministers Gladstone and Palmerston. And places like Chamberlain Square after good old Neville.

Link to someone on Bham Forum asking about properties built by Dares

Jan I'm just going to post on HistoryForum to see if anyone knows how Cateswell got its name.


wisechild Report 20 Nov 2012 13:41

If you contact B´ham City Council (I think Roads & Bridges) I seem to remember that they have details of how all the roads in Birmingham got their names.
On the other hand, it may just be for council estate names & Cateswell road is private. Have a feeling that along with much of the housing in Hall Green, they were built by Dares. You could try googling Dares the builders to see if there´s any info on line.
Cateswell Road runs from Stratford Road, crosses Shaftmoor Lane & ends at Spring Road, Tyseley if that´s any help.


brummiejan Report 19 Nov 2012 23:22

'I've not heard of that one Jan' - wot one is that then!! :-D
Good idea re. the history forum - I have posted on there but it's a while back.


JustDinosaurJill Report 19 Nov 2012 23:16

Oooh I've not heard of that one Jan. Details please.

I've tried to find out where the name came from for the cottage and the road and just no luck. Plan to post on Bham History Forum to see if anyone can come up with anything.

See you Friday.xx

ps. no painting :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D


brummiejan Report 19 Nov 2012 22:54

Just to add - I just couldn't wait. It is my birthday Weds and I have treated myself to a 3-month sub to Midlands Historical Data. Thought it might give us a head start!
I managed to find one ref to Cateswell Cottages (in the plural), and I now have surrounding streets off pat, so might help, who knows?


brummiejan Report 19 Nov 2012 17:39

Thanks Jill. Not bad. Never got around to ringing the library, will do so tomorrow.
Hope you have no decorating to do for a while!


JustDinosaurJill Report 19 Nov 2012 17:37

I bought a book recently about the back-to-backs. Jan knows how busy I've been for a while now. I've sorted out a few books to read first now that I have a bit of time. Must put that one on the pile.

Hope you had a good day Jan. <3


brummiejan Report 19 Nov 2012 17:17

Hi folks.

Always up for a trip out! Especially if food is involved.

For shame, I have never visited the back-to-backs - thanks for that reminder Andy. I really should as one of my ancestors lived on Inge Street for a while, so I am guessing their house was similar. Not been to the jewellery quarter either!!
Well. they do say you never see what is on your doorstep.

Vanessa, when Jill & I visit the library I shall inquire about whether there are any possible ways of researching during the closure. In the meantime, if you get back before Friday, let us know if there is anything we can look up for you.