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Robert Mcdougall & Mary Elder nthumberland/NZ

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Angintrev Report 18 Nov 2012 21:08

Hi all, Very new to this, Above named are my great grandparents, we believe they emigrated to new zealand, leaving behind a son also Robert born 1904 my grandfather. Nothing was ever heard from them again.
i can not find anything about either of them and would love any help anyone can give me.
I believe they lived in a place called Hexham Northumberland, then may have moved to Dumfries Scotland before emigrating to New Zealand.
Many thanks

Angi :-)


JustDinosaurJill Report 18 Nov 2012 21:27

Hi Angi.

It might help for you to add New Zealand to your thread title.



Angintrev Report 18 Nov 2012 21:34

Thank you. will try that.


AnnCardiff Report 18 Nov 2012 21:49


Robert M Mcdougall
England and Wales Census, 1911
birth: Percy Main,? Northumberland
census: 1911 Tynemouth,? Percy Main,? Northumberland,? England

name: Robert M Mcdougall
event: Census
event date: 1911
gender: Male
age: 7
birthplace: Percy Main, Northumberland
record type: Household
registration district: Tynemouth
sub-district: Tynemouth
parish: Tynemouth
county: Northumberland


GlasgowLass Report 18 Nov 2012 21:53

Where was Robert born in 1904 and where do you believe he was living when his parents disappeared



KathleenBell Report 18 Nov 2012 22:06

This is the full 1911 census record for the 7 year old Robert that AnnCardiff posted. The mother seems to have the wrong name (not Mary):-

1911 census transcription details for: 16 Brunton St Percy Main

National Archive Reference:
RG14PN30767 RG78PN1758 RD559 SD2 ED35 SN286
Reg. District: Tynemouth
Sub District: Tynemouth
Parish: Tynemouth
Enum. District: 35

Address: 16 Brunton St Percy Main
County: Northumberland

Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born

MCDOUGALL, Robert Head Married M 26 1885 Ship Caulker Northumberland Willington Quay
MCDOUGALL, Isabella Wife Married F 24 1887 Northumberland Percy Main
MCDOUGALL, Robert M Son M 7 1904 Northumberland Percy Main
MCDOUGALL, Minnie Daughter F 5 1906 Northumberland Percy Main
MCDOUGALL, Elizabeth Daughter F 2 1909 Northumberland Percy Main

Kath. x


Angintrev Report 18 Nov 2012 22:08

Hi Anne,
I believe he was born in hexham no idea where his father was born and noone in the family knows anything about him or mary elder, its all a mystery.



Patricia Report 18 Nov 2012 22:11

Hi Angi
There is a Mary Elder on the Find My Past Passenger list,year of birth unknown,departs1910 from London ,destination Wellington NZ.
May be just coincidence though. Pat


KathleenBell Report 18 Nov 2012 22:12

Do you know when your great grandparents were born?

Kath. x


Angintrev Report 18 Nov 2012 22:17

Hi Kathleen, I dont think thats my grandfather as on his marriage cert it says parents Robert Mcdougall and Mary Elder. Dont know where either were born.
Many thanks for reply

How do i get that information? if a robert mcdougall was also on that passenger list it could well be them.
Many thanks



GlasgowLass Report 18 Nov 2012 22:33

Did you find your grandfather's birth record to confirm where he was born, and did you locate him on any 1911 census?

Do you have a death cert for him and does it name the same people?
Quite often different/ correct birth parents are provided on the DC.


Patricia Report 18 Nov 2012 22:41

I looked on Free BMD and there is a marriage for
Robert Legert W. Mcdougall to
Isabella Liddle Pickering in Newcastle June 1903,their names are above here.
There is also a marriage for
Mary Mcdougall Elder to a Robert Ewing in Lambeth June 1899.
Strange how she has both these names you are looking for.She may not be your Mary Elder though.

You have to register with Find my Past website to get their passenger list .I just fed the details in and it showed a few bits of info,but you would get more details if you were a member I would think ,or I think you can still buy credits from the library and its something like £5 for a handful of credits.But they soon run out.I dont have any credits to check all their details.I can have another look for Robert and see what I can pick up if you like.Pat x


Angintrev Report 18 Nov 2012 22:53

Hi Anne No birth record only marriage in dumfries, have no death cert but his death is recorded on scotlands people with the same names and the dates are correct
nothing on census.


Hi pat, not sure if thats the correct mary elder as on my grandfathers marriage certificate it only states her maiden name but will look into that one

many thanks



GlasgowLass Report 18 Nov 2012 23:12

I think you may have to send for his DC or visit the GRO in Edinburgh, Glasgow or Kilmarnock
This 1993 death record: surname matches with both McDougall and Elder.
The inference is that his birth name may have been Elder


Angintrev Report 19 Nov 2012 00:11

Wow. Never thought of that



Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 19 Nov 2012 08:20

New Zealand, Immigration Passenger Lists, 1855-1973

(not sure if above would help, below link)

Chris :)


Angintrev Report 19 Nov 2012 17:47

Hi Chris
Many Thanks will look into that
Angi :-)


Angintrev Report 23 Nov 2012 19:38

still no joy finding robert mcdougall and mary elder approx 1880s emigrating to nz 1910 any help gratefully appreciated


Angintrev Report 18 Dec 2012 12:35

Wow found my great grandfather, he did indeed emmigate to New Zealand and died there in 1958. Have alaso found my GGgrandparents and lots of other relatives. Still no joy on tracing my Great Grandmother Mary Elder, Northumberland. but at least im getting somewhere now. Thanks to all who have helped me, its much appreciated.