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Hello Vicci. You could be right that it is Huxstable not Huntable .

I'm thinking that Margaret may have been an unmaried mother of the grandchildren and when she married George ,did they take on John and change his surname to Thomas ,the 12 year old on the next census.

Would there be adoption or name change records and where could I find them.? William is not on the next census with this family.

I spoke with John's granddaughter yesterday and she still says that George and John were brothers :-S

The wedding certificate does seem to be for that Margaret as her witness was Annie Thomas the same name as Margaret's sister. The other witness was Harry Lewis.

This is the census transcription for Elizabeth Richards John Thomas's wife and family She is the 1year old .her mother was also Elizabeth 1881 Census Household RecordHousehold Information
Address 34, Brackla Street
Parish Lower Coyty
District Bridgend, Bridgend
Administrative County Glamorganshire
Householder 1
Name John Richards
Age 46
Estimated Year of Birth 1835
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Occupation Coachman Dom
Birth Place Nottingham
Birth County
Householder 2
Name Elizabeth Richards
Age 43
Estimated Year of Birth 1838
Relationship to Head of Household Wife
Occupation
Birth Place Plymouth
Birth County Devon
Householder 3
Name Sarah Richards
Age 20
Estimated Year of Birth 1861
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Occupation
Birth Place America
Birth County Quebec
Householder 4
Name Alfred Richards
Age 18
Estimated Year of Birth 1863
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation
Birth Place Limerick, Ireland
Birth County
Householder 5
Name John Richards
Age 16
Estimated Year of Birth 1865
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Scholar
Birth Place Laleston, Wales
Birth County Glamorganshire
Householder 6
Name William Richards
Age 14
Estimated Year of Birth 1867
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Scholar
Birth Place Laleston, Wales
Birth County Glamorganshire
Householder 7
Name Walter Richards
Age 10
Estimated Year of Birth 1871
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Scholar
Birth Place Bridgend, Wales
Birth County Glamorganshire
Householder 8
Name Frank Richards
Age 8
Estimated Year of Birth 1873
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Scholar
Birth Place Bridgend, Wales
Birth County Glamorganshire
Householder 9
Name Fred Richards
Age 5
Estimated Year of Birth 1876
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Scholar
Birth Place Bridgend, Wales
Birth County Glamorganshire
Householder 10
Name Elizabeth Richards
Age 1
Estimated Year of Birth 1880
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Occupation Juvenile
Birth Place Bridgend, Wales
Birth County Glamorganshire

1871
THOMAS, John Head M 67 1804 Devon VIEW
THOMAS, Elizabeth Wife F 39 1832 Pembrokeshire VIEW
THOMAS, Margaret Daughter F 12 1859 Glamorgan VIEW
THOMAS, Ann Daughter F 6 1865 Glamorgan VIEW
THOMAS, Elizabeth Daughter F 4 1867 Glamorgan VIEW
JAMES, Matthew Visitor M 47 1824 Devon VIEW

Piece: 5419

Folio: 90

Page: 32

Registration District: Bridgend

Civil Parish: Coity

Municipal Borough:

Address: Coy Church Rd, Coity, Bridgend

County: Glamorganshire

full transcript of 1881 census
name: John Huxtable
age: 2
gender: Male
birth year: 1879
birthplace: Wales
relationship to head of household: Grand Son
marital condition: Single
profession/occupation:
address: 131 Nolton St
census place: Lower Coyty, Glamorganshire, Wales
disability:
record type: Household
family history library film: 1342284
the national archives reference: RG11
piece/folio: 5331 / 93
page number: 27
Household Gender Age Birthplace
head John Thomas M 80 Tavistock, Devon, Wales
wife Elizabeth Thomas F 50 Wales
daughter Margaret Thomas F 22 Wales
daughter Anne Thomas F 16 Wales
daughter Elizabeth Thomas F 14 Wales
daughter Catherine Thomas F 9 Wales
grand son John Huxtable M 2 Wales
grand son William H Huxtable M 0 Wales
visitor Jane Smith F 64 Highworth, Wiltshire, Wales

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Births Mar 1879 (>99%)
Huxtable Alfred John Bridgend 11a 522

Marriages Dec 1880 (>99%)
>>>Huxtable Ellen Bridgend 11a 715
John John Bridgend 11a 715
Prosser Mary Bridgend 11a 715
>>>Thomas Thomas Bridgend 11a 715

address in 1901
Civil Parish: Oldcastle

Address: 5, Suffolk Street, Oldcastle, Bridgend

1901
Elizabeth's mother?
220 RICHARDS, Elizabeth Head Widow F 63 1838 Charwoman
Plymouth, Devonshire VIEW
220 RICHARDS, Albert Son Single M 19 1882 Labourer
Bridgend, Glamorganshire VIEW
220 RICHARDS, Florrie Grand Daughter Single F 9 1892
Bridgend, Glamorganshire VIEW

RG number: RG13

Piece: 5050

Folio: 81

Page: 33

Sub District: Bridgend

Enumeration District: 6

Ecclesiastical Parish: Coity with Nolton St Mary

Municipal Borough:

Address: 6, Edward Street, Oldcastle, Bridgend

County: Glamorganshire

just looked again at the 1881 census . Margaret would be the right age for the wedding certificate . but John 2 years old is listed as John Huntable. :-S

I was given a copy of a wedding certificate by one of John's granddaughters It is a wedding in 1883 between George Thomas and Margaret Thomas. The granddaughter is pretty definate that George was Johns .brother.As he was 28 when he married George would be have been born in 1856 which would make him 23 year older than John . So I'm wondering if he was John's father ,not his brother ..and if he had a son named George..,In the 1881 census the grandmother that John was living with in 1891 had a daughter Margaret living with her .. I thought she might be the one on the certificate ,but there is a three year age difference

Thanks. I have got that record and it seems probable. Especially with the Cambridge /Cowbridge note. Did find out that she had a daughter ,and wonder if she was unmarried.and he had her maiden name.

? 1901
Name: Lily Thomas
Age in 1901: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John Thomas
Gender: Female
Where born: Bridgend, Glamorgan, Wales
Civil parish: Oldcastle
Ecclesiastical parish: Coyty and Nolton St Mary
Town: Bridgend
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales

Name: John Thomas
Age in 1901: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Lily Thomas
Gender: Male
Where born: Bridgend, Glamorgan, Wales
Civil parish: Oldcastle
Ecclesiastical parish: Coyty and Nolton St Mary
Town: Bridgend
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Name: Frederick Thomas
Age in 1901: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1900
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John Thomas
Mother's Name: Lily Thomas
Gender: Male
Where born: Bridgend, Glamorgan, Wales
Civil parish: Oldcastle
Ecclesiastical parish: Coyty and Nolton St Mary
Town: Bridgend
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales

Just posting this as a possible when you find his parents !!
1891

Name: John Thomas
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Relation: Grandson
Gender: Male
Where born: Cambridge, Glamorgan, Wales
[Cowbridge, Glamorgan, Wales]
Civil parish: Lower Coyty
Ecclesiastical parish: Coyty
Town: Bridgend
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales

Name: Elizabeth Thomas
Age: 60
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Bridgend, Glamorgan, Wales
Civil parish: Lower Coyty
Ecclesiastical parish: Coyty
Town: Bridgend
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales

I'm wrong about the measurements Map is three miles to the inch . So Merthyr would be 30 Miles and Llanelly 45 Miles Too far I think. but could check..

A very rough measurement Llanelly would be about 15 miles from Bridgend and Merthyr would be 10. But they are steep mountain roads. Don't know what they would have been like in 1896 . will have to wait until tomorrow to check with the record office. On Frededrick's birth certificate John Thomas's occupation is Tanner.

I'm back . I. have Martha's Birth Certificate . My Grandmother. Born 20 july 1905 8 South Street Bridgend
. Also Frederick's (Fred) birth certificate. Their first son.Born3rd September 1899 Born in 6 Edward Street ,Bridgend
Also John Thomas death certificate 17th march 1966 in Bristol. His wife died in Dec 1921,he remarried and moved to Bristol. Can't find that wedding either.Don't know the year . Don't know any details of the second wife . except her name was May.

Have you rejected the 1896 Llanelly marriage? If married in July 1897, they would only have been married 13 years in April 1911 when the census was taken but married in Apr-June 1896 it would be 14.

Not sure how far Llanelly is from Bridgend, but people didn't always marry where they lived.

Which of their children's birth cert do you have?

The September in the 1897 marriage ref is the quarter the marriage took place in (June to September) which covers July.

Hi Adaline . The fathers on the certificate are Thomas Thomas and John Richards . John Richards would be the right name for my Great grandmothers father . but as i said ,the ages are wrong.
I've got to go. Will be back later. .