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This is for a friend please.

I can't find this person on the 1911 census. These are the census I did find him on and I think he married Fanny Elwick.


1881 England Census
about George Turnmon
Name: George Turnmon
[George Tummon]
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William Turnmon
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Turnmon
Gender: Male
Where born: Hull, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Newington
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address: 122 Chiltern St

Registration district: Sculcoates
Sub-registration district: Hessle
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4751
Folio: 135
Page Number: 27
Household Members: Name Age
William Turnmon 42 1839 Marsh Chapel, Lincoln Occ. Gen labourer<<<<<<<
Elizabeth Turnmon 40 1841 Hull, Yorkshire
Jane E. Turnmon 18 1863
Frederick H. Turnmon 14 1867
Margaret Turnmon 8 1873
Tom Turnmon 5 1876
Sophia Turnmon 3 1878
George Turnmon 1 1880
Ada Turnmon 5WEEKS

All children born Hull Yorkshire.


They have left off the mother in this one it is Elizabeth born Hull Yorks and she is a Dressmaker and a widow.

1901 England Census
about George Tumnon
Name: George Tumnon
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Hull, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Holy Trinity
Ecclesiastical parish: St Barnabas
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address:78 Margrets Terrace.********

Occupation: Commercial Traveller


Registration district: Hull
Sub-registration district: Myton
ED, institution, or vessel: 41
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 87
Piece: 4506
Folio: 112
Page Number: 14
Household Members: Name Age
George Tumnon 21
Ada Tumnon 20
Alice Tumnon 17

I have looked for a marriage and they married in 1904 but for the life of me I cannot find either of them on the 1911. Fanny died in 1916 and George died in 1946 as below.



England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2006
about George Tummon
Name: George Tummon
Birth Date: abt 1879
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1946
Age at Death: 67
Registration district: Hull
Inferred County: Yorkshire East Riding
Volume: 2a
Page: 210

Was just wondering if any of you clever helpers can find them on the 1911 please as this is not an easy name to look up.

Thanks Mel.

Well, this is Fanny + children on 1911 but no sign of George!

TUMMON, Fanny Wife Married F 26 1885 Yorks Hull VIEW
TUMMON, Fanny Daughter F 4 1907 Yorks Hull VIEW
TUMMON, Harriett Elizabeth Daughter F 0 (2 MONTHS) 1911 Yorks Hull VIEW

RG number: RG14
Piece: 28794
Reference: RG14PN28794 RG78PN1652 RD522 SD2 ED25 SN72
Registration District: Hull
Sub District: Myton
Enumeration District: 25
Parish: Holy Trinity and St Mary
Address: 5 Margaret Terrace Wassand St Hessle Road Hull
County: Yorkshire (East riding)

They had had 5 children but 3 had died.

Dea x

I see George was a commercial traveller 1901. So he might be anywhere - even Scotland maybe!
Jan

1911 on Ancestry is TUMMERS

The strange thing on the 1911 image is that the years married and number of children has been entered but the enumerator has crossed through them in red!

It makes me wonder if the couple had seperated?? - I can't see why this would have been done if he was just away for a day or two?


Dea x

Is this George in 1891 - one of the many 'scholars" there.

1891 census transcription details for: Hull Truants Industrial School, In the County of York Kingston upon Hull

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG12
Piece: 3933
Folio: 148
Page: 1
Reg. District: Sculcoates
Sub District: West Sculcoates
Parish: Sculcoates
Enum. District: 40
Ecclesiastical District: St Pauls
City/Municipal Borough: Kingston upon Hull
Address: Sculcoates, Kingston Upon Hull
County: Yorkshire (East Riding)
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
TUMMON, George Scholar M 11 1880 Hull, Yorkshire

Hi All sorry I was called away by the other half.

Stuart yes I saw that census for 1891 and thought that may have been him.

Hi Dea and yes I think that is Fanny on 1911 but I did'nt find that one.

Have to serve lunch now so BBL.

Mel

Possible 1 of the children's deaths...

Civil registration event: Death

Name: TUMMON, George
Registration district: [?] Hull
County: Yorkshire
Year of registration: 1909
Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at death:3
Volume no: 9D
Page no: 168

Can you post the 1911 that you are referring to GB as I can't see the one you mean?

Dea x

I can Dea.

1911 England Census
about Fanny Tummers
Name: Fanny Tummers
Age in 1911: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Hull, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Holy Trinity and St Mary
County/Island: Yorkshire-East Riding
Country: England
Street Address: 5 Margarets Terrace Wassand Street Hull
Marital Status: Married
Registration district: Hull
Registration District Number: 522
Sub-registration district: Myton
ED, institution, or vessel: 25
Piece: 28794
Household Members: Name Age
Fanny Tummers 26
Fanny Tummers 4
Harriett Elizth Tummers Under 3/12

The address is the same as on other census. Margarets Terrace.

RG14; Piece: 28794

On the bottom bit where the address is it says For Fanny Tummon so perhaps she could'nt write?

Oh, I see! - GB meant that the Fanny one I posted on 1911 weas under Tummers on Ancestry !! :-S :-D :-D - I thought she had found George !!! :-(

Yes - I saw the 'for' bit and also presumed that she could not write.

Dea Xxx

Thanks Sue and yes that could be one of the dead children. As they had a dau Fanny George woud fit nicely thanks.

Possible - other children who died


George was born june 1905.died Mar 1909

James William born Dec 1908 -Died Dec 1908

Lily born Mar 1910 -died Mar 1910

The other two children who died were James 1908 - 1908 and Lily 1910 - 1910.

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915
about James William Tummon
Name: James William Tummon
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1908
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1908
Age at Death: 0
Registration district: Hull
Inferred County: Yorkshire East Riding
Volume: 9d
Page: 202

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915
about Lily Tummon
Name: Lily Tummon
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1910
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1910
Age at Death: 0
Registration district: Hull
Inferred County: Yorkshire East Riding
Volume: 9d
Page: 205

Did George re-marry?

Ancestry trees suggest this one but I don't understand why it is in Romford?

Marriages Mar 1918 (>99%)

Peterken Edith M Tummon Romford 4a 932
Tummon George Peterken Romford 4a 932

There are a further 8 children born in Hull?

Dea Xxx

2 further births Tummon/mmn Elwick post Sep Qtr 1912 in Hull RD
Ellen Jun Qtr1913
Ivy Sep Qtr 1916
So either George was still around somewhere - that would fit in with the death reg. (or that's the surname they were given at Registration).

Did Fanny die in or due to childbirth - same qtr as Ivy's birth.

Civil Registration event: Death

Name: TUMMON, Fanny
Registration district: Hull
County: Yorkshire
Year of registration: 1916
Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at death: 31
Volume no: 9D
Page no: 302

I had presumed that that was the case Stuart - sadly !! :-(

Dea Xxx

Yes Stuart it does seem as though Fanny died either in or just after childbirth with Ivy.

I am still trying to find George on the 1911 but I suppose he could have been anywhere. It is a strange surname to look up as it could be transcribed as anything!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have tried many.

I think the second marriage was in Romford Essex as that is Where Edith \mabel Peterken was born. It comes under West Ham. I am from that way and West Ham covers a big area for births.

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Edith Mabel Peterken
Name: Edith Mabel Peterken
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1898
Registration district: West Ham
Inferred County: Essex
Volume: 4a
Page: 105

There is also this birth which I suspect was George's baby which I think died too.

England & Wales, Birth Index: 1916-2005
about Edith M Peterken
Name: Edith M Peterken
Mother's Maiden Surname: Peterken
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1917
Registration district: Romford
Inferred County: Suffolk
Volume Number: 4a
Page Number: 871

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2006
about Edith M Peterken
Name: Edith M Peterken
Birth Date: abt 1917
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1917
Age at Death: 0
Registration district: Romford
Inferred County: Essex
Volume: 4a
Page: 700

I wonder if it was his fault a lot of his children died? I don't mean that in a bad way..................................