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We are descended from the Inghams of Crimsworth Dean from 1750. The earliest ancestor we can trace back to with any confidence is a James Ingham born between 1767 to 1771 of Handibutt Hill. We believe him to be father of Sally Ingham born 1791 who was mother of Betty Ingham born 1818 ish and Betty was mother of Joseph Ingham born 1843 ish.
So - has anyone any information on this family

James Ingham born 1771 ish married an Alice Pickles 1790 and we think may have married a Mary after Alice died. Can't find a death for Alice.

Does anyone know who James's parents were?

Census describes Sally as a Widow but if this is the case was she an Ingham who married an Ingham, and if so, which one?

Any answers would be very much appreciated. Anne

where is Crimsworth Dean and Handibutt Hill please

Yorkshire?

Alice Pickles
England, Marriages, 1538–1973
marriage: 31 Oct 1790 Heptonstall,? York,? England
spouse: James Ingham


groom's name: James Ingham
bride's name: Alice Pickles
marriage date: 31 Oct 1790
marriage place: Heptonstall, York, England
indexing project (batch) number: I03623-5
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1450493

Grace Ingham
England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 19 Jun 1796 HEPTONSTALL,?YORK,?ENGLAND
parents: James Ingham,? Alice



Alice Ingham
England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 15 Jul 1801 HEPTONSTALL,?YORK,?ENGLAND
parents: James Ingham,? Alice



Mary Ingham
England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 13 Jan 1793 HEPTONSTALL,?YORK,?ENGLAND
parents: James Ingham,? Alice



James Ingham
England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 10 Apr 1798 HEPTONSTALL,?YORK,?ENGLAND
parents: James Ingham,? Alice



Isaac Ingham
England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 14 Sep 1794 HEPTONSTALL,?YORK,?ENGLAND
parents: James Ingham,? Alice



Sally Ingham
England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 29 May 1791 HEPTONSTALL,?YORK,?ENGLAND
parents: Jas. Ingham,? Alice

?????

Mary Ingham
England Deaths and Burials, 1538-1991
burial: 12 Nov 1789 Cleckheaton,? Birstal,? York,? England
spouse: James Ingham


name: Mary Ingham
gender: Female
burial date: 12 Nov 1789
burial place: Cleckheaton, Birstal, York, England
marital status: Married
spouse's name: James Ingham
indexing project (batch) number: B05188-7
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1542092

name: Sally Ingham
gender: Female
burial date: 03 Jan 1794 <<<<<
burial place: Thornhill, York, England
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father's name: James Ingham

A quick look at familysearch shows that Sally Ingham was unfortunately a very common name in Yorkshire
:-(

I've sent a message to poster asking her to return

Thanks to all who have responded to date. Crimsworth Dean is in Yorkshire - the registration district is usually Todmorden and the area our particular Inghams come from is Wadsworth. We are grateful for all who are trying to help but were really hoping that we might just be able to make contact with a descendent of one of our lines as we have intensively trawled the records over several years now and are still not coming up with the answers - possibly because of so many Inghams, them giving their children the same christian names, and the many inter-marriages with the Greenwoods. A local researcher - a family member - had James Ingham born 1771 father as John Ingham born 1754 but this (in our opinion) could not be correct as he would only be 13? Thanks for all your help and any further information would be much appreciated. Best Wishes, Anne

To find possible contacts on GR....use the site's 'search all trees' facility

"Census describes Sally as a Widow but if this is the case was she an Ingham who married an Ingham, and if so, which one?"

Which census? And where/when was she born?

Reggie - hope I've done this correctly! Sally was born 1791 in Wadsworth (Crimsworth Dean) Heptonstall (Todmorden) she was baptised at Heptonstall church in 1791 her parents James Ingham and Alice Pickles were married in 1790. From memory I think it is either the 1841 or the 1851 where she is described as a widow. We will be greatful to anyone who can help us as this puzzle is doing our heads in. Best wishes, Anne

Sorry if I'm picking something up wrong here - but if someone was born 1754 and fathered a child in 1771 then surely they'd be 17 and not 13?

Marie Celeste - apologies - we have conflicting dates on record - one date is 1767 which would make him 13 and another 1771 which, as you quite rightly say would make him 17 - but surely that is still rather young - even for those times? and the 1767 date even worse. Not sure how old they had to be to marry in the 1700's. That's why we are querying this data.

marrying age was I believe 12 ...... and this lasted well into the 19th century, from memory

however, many children of the merchant and upper classes were betrothed and sometimes married much below that age ............. they were not allowed to co-habit until puberty was reached ........... or about the age of 12.



Yes ................. I found this by googling .............


In the Medieval Times, with parental permission it was legal for boys to marry at 14 and girls at 12.

A betrothal often took place when the prospective bride and groom were as young as 7 years old and in the case of higher nobility many were betrothed as babies. But a marriage was only legal once the marriage had been consummated.

For girls in particular the age of marriage was much closer than now to the onset of fertility. In the 1600s the minimum legal age for marriage in England was 12. Parliament raised the minimum age for marriage (and the age of consent) to 16 in 1885





so either of your marriages are possible

Sylvain - Canada Thank you for this useful information about marriage ages - it really helps - we don't know the age of James's mother although we believe her maiden name to be Utley and her first name Deborah so providing she was of childbearing age it seems from your research that it was possible they could have been married. The next child however didn't come along for another 7 years. Piecing together the jigsaw is both interesting and frustrating at times. Many thanks and best wishes, Anne

there might have been miscarriages and stillbirths though

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/living_relatives/thread/1314976

Check your maths!............lol!

One date is 1767 which would make him 13 and another 1771 which, as you quite rightly say would make him 17 - but surely that is still rather young - even for those times? and the 1767 date even worse. Not sure how old they had to be to marry in the 1700's. That's why we are querying this data.

Reggie - I don't need to check my maths - I've got A level accounting!!! I KNOW it makes him very young but as other members and researchers have pointed out they could actually get married at 13 and 14 and 12 for girls around that time. We are still not convinced but it is POSSIBLE. Anne