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Sylvia
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21 Nov 2012 19:01 |
Looking for William David born 1841 Swansea, Glamorgan. Grateful as ever for help. Thanks.
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21 Nov 2012 19:02 |
Is this him ?
1911 - 15 St Helens Crent Swansea
William David 70 - Buildery Keeper - b Swansea wife Harriet David 70 - Llanrhidian Tower
Married 47 yrs 10 children born 2 died
dau Elizabeth David 41 dau Sarah George 39 - School teacher Grd dau Olive Mary George 8 Grandmother Margaret David 92 - 8 children born, 7 died
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JustDinosaurJill
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21 Nov 2012 19:24 |
I saw the occupation on the records Mike found because I thought it must be brewery keeper so I looked at the original and transcript on GR. I'm going to check it out against the original but it does seem more accurate.
Occupation is not building keeper but Building Inspector for Swansea Corporation
1911 Census Household Record Household information Address 15 St Helens Cresc Swansea Parish Swansea Type of Building Private House Number of Rooms 8 Inhabited Y Reference RG14PN32760 RG78PN1870 RD594 SD3 ED3 SN55 Administrative County Glamorganshire Registration District Swansea Registration Sub District Swansea Enumeration District 3 Householder 1 Name William David Relationship to Head of Household Head Condition / Years Married Married Total Children Born Alive 10 Children Still Living 8 Children Who Have Died 2 Gender M Age 70 Estimated Year of Birth 1841 Occupation Building Inspector Employed Y Working at Home N Industry Swansea Corporation Place of Birth County Of Glamorgan Llanrhidian Higher Language English and Welsh 2 Householder 2 Name Harriet David Relationship to Head of Household Wife Condition / Years Married Married / 47 Years Total Children Born Alive 10 Children Still Living 8 Children Who Have Died 2 Gender F Age 70 Estimated Year of Birth 1841 Occupation Housekeeper Employed N Working at Home N Place of Birth County Of Glamorgan Llanrhidian Lower Glam Language English 0 Householder 3 Name Elizabeth David Relationship to Head of Household Daughter Condition / Years Married Single Gender F Age 41 Estimated Year of Birth 1870 Occupation At Home Assisting Mother Employed N Working at Home N Place of Birth Swansea Glam Language English 0 Householder 4 Name Sarah George Relationship to Head of Household Daughter Condition / Years Married Widow Gender F Age 39 Estimated Year of Birth 1872 Occupation School Teacher Employed Y Working at Home N Industry Swansea Education Authority Place of Birth Mumbles Glam Language English 0 Householder 5 Name Olive Mary George Relationship to Head of Household Granddaughter Condition / Years Married Widow Gender F Age 8 Estimated Year of Birth 1903 Occupation At School Employed N Working at Home N Place of Birth Swansea Glam Language Welsh and English 2 Householder 6 Name Margret David Relationship to Head of Household Grandmother Condition / Years Married Widow Gender F Age 92 Estimated Year of Birth 1819 Occupation No Occupation Employed N Working at Home N Place of Birth Carmarthenshire Language Welsh 1
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JustDinosaurJill
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21 Nov 2012 19:29 |
I'm still trying to work out for certain that Margaret David is shown as grandmother. It looks like grandmother but in reading as it's presented Margaret age 92 is the grandmother of William age 70. Hmmmmmmm :-S
Added. Definitely grandmother to my eyes. Wonder if as William had reached the entries for his granddaughters, he was thinking about Margaret as their grandmother and not his mother and he put that down.
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21 Nov 2012 19:36 |
I took it to mean the grandmother in the household ( i.e William's mother )
Parents William David 1820 – Margaret 1819 –
Spouse Harriet Walters Birth abt 1840 in Glamorganshire
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21 Nov 2012 19:39 |
1881
William David 61 - stone mason Margaret David 62 Margaret David 35 - single Jane David 28 - single Thomas David 23 - single William David 3 - grandson
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JustDinosaurJill
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21 Nov 2012 19:49 |
Quite right Mike. I saw it as meant to be - relationship to head of household: grandmother. I was looking at the original when the penny dropped.
Mind you. Interesting to see the info against the ladies shown as widows.
Sarah - one child, one living, none died
Margaret - eight children, one living, seven who have died.
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Sylvia
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21 Nov 2012 20:05 |
Hi, Thanks for info. Still trying to find out where this William David fits in. As a special favour would someone look at 1841 Census - Piece 1421 Book 12 Folio 13 Page No. 17. Thomas David 37 (Not born in County Anne David 37 (Wife) William David 7 Mary David 20 David David 2 William David 2mnths Elizabeth David 2 mnths
This is the William 2 mnths - I take it him and Elizabeth are twins. Do the Census say a relationship of William to Head of House please. Could they be Mary's children. They are not with Thomas and Anne on 1851 Census. Trying to unravel this family I would not think there would be two Williams with same parents. Any help please. Above info. given to me. Thanks
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21 Nov 2012 20:51 |
Yes that particular census says "Twins" But not whose children they are.
Next to Mary aged 20 , it looks like "Miner's wife" Not born in County
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JustDinosaurJill
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21 Nov 2012 20:53 |
Too many people with the same name to confuse me but this might be the family. No relationships are shown on the 1841 though; just those in the household. Just going to check all of this against the original and add anything not transcribed.
1841 Census Household Record
Household Information Address Tai Yn Y Rhcol Parish Cadoxton District Neath, Ystradvellte Administrative County Glamorganshire Householder 1 Name Thomas David Age 30 Estimated Year of Birth 1811 Relationship to Head of Household Occupation Birth Place Birth County Householder 2 Name Anne David Age 30 Estimated Year of Birth 1811 Relationship to Head of Household Occupation Birth Place Glamorgan Birth County Glamorgan Householder 3 Name Elizabeth David Age 7 Estimated Year of Birth 1834 Relationship to Head of Household Occupation Juvenile Birth Place Glamorgan Birth County Glamorgan Householder 4 Name William David Age 2 Estimated Year of Birth 1839 Relationship to Head of Household Occupation Juvenile Birth Place Glamorgan Birth County Glamorgan Householder 5 Name Mary David Age 20 Estimated Year of Birth 1821 Relationship to Head of Household Occupation Birth Place Birth County Householder 6 Name David David Age 2 Estimated Year of Birth 1839 Relationship to Head of Household Occupation Juvenile Birth Place Glamorgan Birth County Glamorgan Householder 7 Name William David Age 0 Estimated Year of Birth 1841 Relationship to Head of Household Occupation Juvenile Birth Place Glamorgan Birth County Glamorgan Householder 8 Name Elizabeth David Age 0 Estimated Year of Birth 1841 Relationship to Head of Household Occupation Juvenile Birth Place Glamorgan Birth County Glamorgan Householder 9 Name Margaret Rowland Age 60 Estimated Year of Birth 1781 Relationship to Head of Household Occupation Birth Place Birth County Householder 10 Name Margaret Morris Age 13 Estimated Year of Birth 1828 Relationship to Head of Household Occupation Juvenile Birth Place Glamorgan Birth County Glamorgan
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21 Nov 2012 20:59 |
Thomas is a miner. Might be 'n' when it comes to 'born in county?'
Mary David is shown as Miners wife
William and Elizabeth shown as 2 month old twins.
Margaret Rowland looks like Widow Lodger
Margaret Morris shown as FS
In case you didn't know FS usually means Female Servant
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Sylvia
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21 Nov 2012 21:52 |
Many thanks for help. If Mary is "Miner's wife" she must have married into David family so can only think there is a son that I have mislaid so will have to go digging to see if Thomas and Anne had another son. They married in 1821 in Llanelli so the son would have been quite young to have a two yr old plus twins. Thanks for your time and help.
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21 Nov 2012 22:17 |
She could be Thomas's sister in law not daughter in law
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