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Mike *

Mike * Report 21 Nov 2012 22:17

She could be Thomas's sister in law not daughter in law

Sylvia

Sylvia Report 21 Nov 2012 21:52

Many thanks for help. If Mary is "Miner's wife" she must have married into David family so can only think there is a son that I have mislaid so will have to go digging to see if Thomas and Anne had another son. They married in 1821 in Llanelli so the son would have been quite young to have a two yr old plus twins. Thanks for your time and help.

JustDinosaurJill

JustDinosaurJill Report 21 Nov 2012 20:59

Thomas is a miner. Might be 'n' when it comes to 'born in county?'

Mary David is shown as Miners wife

William and Elizabeth shown as 2 month old twins.

Margaret Rowland looks like Widow Lodger

Margaret Morris shown as FS

In case you didn't know FS usually means Female Servant

JustDinosaurJill

JustDinosaurJill Report 21 Nov 2012 20:53

Too many people with the same name to confuse me but this might be the family. No relationships are shown on the 1841 though; just those in the household. Just going to check all of this against the original and add anything not transcribed.

1841 Census Household Record

Household Information
Address Tai Yn Y Rhcol
Parish Cadoxton
District Neath, Ystradvellte
Administrative County Glamorganshire
Householder 1
Name Thomas David
Age 30
Estimated Year of Birth 1811
Relationship to Head of Household
Occupation
Birth Place
Birth County
Householder 2
Name Anne David
Age 30
Estimated Year of Birth 1811
Relationship to Head of Household
Occupation
Birth Place Glamorgan
Birth County Glamorgan
Householder 3
Name Elizabeth David
Age 7
Estimated Year of Birth 1834
Relationship to Head of Household
Occupation Juvenile
Birth Place Glamorgan
Birth County Glamorgan
Householder 4
Name William David
Age 2
Estimated Year of Birth 1839
Relationship to Head of Household
Occupation Juvenile
Birth Place Glamorgan
Birth County Glamorgan
Householder 5
Name Mary David
Age 20
Estimated Year of Birth 1821
Relationship to Head of Household
Occupation
Birth Place
Birth County
Householder 6
Name David David
Age 2
Estimated Year of Birth 1839
Relationship to Head of Household
Occupation Juvenile
Birth Place Glamorgan
Birth County Glamorgan
Householder 7
Name William David
Age 0
Estimated Year of Birth 1841
Relationship to Head of Household
Occupation Juvenile
Birth Place Glamorgan
Birth County Glamorgan
Householder 8
Name Elizabeth David
Age 0
Estimated Year of Birth 1841
Relationship to Head of Household
Occupation Juvenile
Birth Place Glamorgan
Birth County Glamorgan
Householder 9
Name Margaret Rowland
Age 60
Estimated Year of Birth 1781
Relationship to Head of Household
Occupation
Birth Place
Birth County
Householder 10
Name Margaret Morris
Age 13
Estimated Year of Birth 1828
Relationship to Head of Household
Occupation Juvenile
Birth Place Glamorgan
Birth County Glamorgan

Mike *

Mike * Report 21 Nov 2012 20:51

Yes that particular census says "Twins"
But not whose children they are.

Next to Mary aged 20 , it looks like "Miner's wife" Not born in County

Sylvia

Sylvia Report 21 Nov 2012 20:05

Hi, Thanks for info. Still trying to find out where this William David fits in.
As a special favour would someone look at 1841 Census - Piece 1421 Book 12 Folio 13 Page No. 17.
Thomas David 37 (Not born in County
Anne David 37 (Wife)
William David 7
Mary David 20
David David 2
William David 2mnths
Elizabeth David 2 mnths

This is the William 2 mnths - I take it him and Elizabeth are twins. Do the Census say a relationship of William to Head of House please. Could they be Mary's children. They are not with Thomas and Anne on 1851 Census.
Trying to unravel this family I would not think there would be two Williams with same parents. Any help please.
Above info. given to me. Thanks

JustDinosaurJill

JustDinosaurJill Report 21 Nov 2012 19:49

Quite right Mike. I saw it as meant to be - relationship to head of household: grandmother. I was looking at the original when the penny dropped.

Mind you. Interesting to see the info against the ladies shown as widows.

Sarah - one child, one living, none died

Margaret - eight children, one living, seven who have died.

Mike *

Mike * Report 21 Nov 2012 19:39

1881

William David 61 - stone mason
Margaret David 62
Margaret David 35 - single
Jane David 28 - single
Thomas David 23 - single
William David 3 - grandson

Mike *

Mike * Report 21 Nov 2012 19:36

I took it to mean the grandmother in the household ( i.e William's mother )

Parents
William David 1820 –
Margaret 1819 –

Spouse
Harriet Walters
Birth abt 1840 in Glamorganshire

JustDinosaurJill

JustDinosaurJill Report 21 Nov 2012 19:29

I'm still trying to work out for certain that Margaret David is shown as grandmother. It looks like grandmother but in reading as it's presented Margaret age 92 is the grandmother of William age 70. Hmmmmmmm :-S

Added. Definitely grandmother to my eyes. Wonder if as William had reached the entries for his granddaughters, he was thinking about Margaret as their grandmother and not his mother and he put that down.

JustDinosaurJill

JustDinosaurJill Report 21 Nov 2012 19:24

I saw the occupation on the records Mike found because I thought it must be brewery keeper so I looked at the original and transcript on GR. I'm going to check it out against the original but it does seem more accurate.

Occupation is not building keeper but Building Inspector for Swansea Corporation


1911 Census Household Record
Household information
Address 15 St Helens Cresc Swansea
Parish Swansea
Type of Building Private House
Number of Rooms 8
Inhabited Y
Reference RG14PN32760 RG78PN1870 RD594 SD3 ED3 SN55
Administrative County Glamorganshire
Registration District Swansea
Registration Sub District Swansea
Enumeration District 3
Householder 1
Name William David
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Condition / Years Married Married
Total Children Born Alive 10
Children Still Living 8
Children Who Have Died 2
Gender M
Age 70
Estimated Year of Birth 1841
Occupation Building Inspector
Employed Y
Working at Home N
Industry Swansea Corporation
Place of Birth County Of Glamorgan Llanrhidian Higher
Language English and Welsh 2
Householder 2
Name Harriet David
Relationship to Head of Household Wife
Condition / Years Married Married / 47 Years
Total Children Born Alive 10
Children Still Living 8
Children Who Have Died 2
Gender F
Age 70
Estimated Year of Birth 1841
Occupation Housekeeper
Employed N
Working at Home N
Place of Birth County Of Glamorgan Llanrhidian Lower Glam
Language English 0
Householder 3
Name Elizabeth David
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Condition / Years Married Single
Gender F
Age 41
Estimated Year of Birth 1870
Occupation At Home Assisting Mother
Employed N
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Swansea Glam
Language English 0
Householder 4
Name Sarah George
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Condition / Years Married Widow
Gender F
Age 39
Estimated Year of Birth 1872
Occupation School Teacher
Employed Y
Working at Home N
Industry Swansea Education Authority
Place of Birth Mumbles Glam
Language English 0
Householder 5
Name Olive Mary George
Relationship to Head of Household Granddaughter
Condition / Years Married Widow
Gender F
Age 8
Estimated Year of Birth 1903
Occupation At School
Employed N
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Swansea Glam
Language Welsh and English 2
Householder 6
Name Margret David
Relationship to Head of Household Grandmother
Condition / Years Married Widow
Gender F
Age 92
Estimated Year of Birth 1819
Occupation No Occupation
Employed N
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Carmarthenshire
Language Welsh 1

Mike *

Mike * Report 21 Nov 2012 19:02



Is this him ?

1911 - 15 St Helens Crent Swansea

William David 70 - Buildery Keeper - b Swansea
wife Harriet David 70 - Llanrhidian Tower

Married 47 yrs
10 children born 2 died

dau Elizabeth David 41
dau Sarah George 39 - School teacher
Grd dau Olive Mary George 8
Grandmother Margaret David 92 - 8 children born, 7 died

Sylvia

Sylvia Report 21 Nov 2012 19:01

Looking for William David born 1841 Swansea, Glamorgan.
Grateful as ever for help. Thanks.