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Hi there i am currently searching for information on my grandmother Patience Coles. She was born 13.10.1927 as this is what it states on her marriage and. I only got her maiden name from her marriage certificate to my grandfather who was Victor David Roder. We dont have much to go on with my grandmother we arent sure if she was adopted into the Coles family or the summers family, as we havent been able to trace a birth for the above date or any names linking to her.

We were told her family name was summers and her adoptive name was probably coles. She often talked about her father being a doctor but again we arent sure if this was her blood father or adopted i am guessing it was adopted family. My dad tells me she had brothers maybe one called Ron summers and a sister called Mary. She grew up either around Bournmouth, somerset or possible dorset. These areas are what have be mentioned in the past to my dad when growing up.

My grandmother had 3 children a daughter jean and 2 sons paul and david. David was the first child to be born in 1946 which is my dad and then the 2 followed. I we had more info to go but we dont have much but its good that we have names i suppose. My grandmother sadly died in the 1970s of breast cancer. We would be greatful for any help of where to look or if anyone recognises this story that would be fab! I dont have her death certificate yet but would that be worth getting? on her marriage cert it does state her father as being Cedric Coles.

Have you tried looking for info about Cedric Coles?

What was his occupation on the marriage cert?

BUT...............be very wary about family 'stories'..............particularly if parentage is doubtful.

If her surname at marriage was the same as the man she named as her father, clearly, any 'adoption' was BY the Coles family

These are the ONLY references on freebmd to Cedric Coles

Births Sep 1884 (>99%)
Coles Cedric Arthur Toxteth Park 8b 260
Births Jun 1902 (>99%)
COLES Cedric Henry St. Thomas 5b 45
Births Sep 1909 (>99%)
Coles Cedric Macdonald Selby 9c 1009
Surname First name(s) Mother/Spouse/Age District Vol Page
Births Dec 1916 (>99%)
Coles Cedric L K Thomas Cardiff 11a 671

NO marriages...................

Marriage certs in England/Wales do NOT record birth dates.

What were the names of the witnesses?

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2006

Name: Patience Roder
Birth Date: 13 Oct 1927
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1978
Age at Death: 50
Registration district: Sheppey
Inferred County: Kent
Volume: 16
Page: 1720

Hi there well all we have are stories to go by i think it states he was a farmer or a builder if i can remember on the marriage cert of my grandparents. I also think that possibly COLES were the adopted family too and summers was the blood family. My dad tells of stories gettimg large farming sets for xmas from his mothers side of the family.

Witness at the wedding was my grandfathers mother Alice and I would have to check again to see who the other one was.

I have looked up for a Ronald summers but i havent found anything as yet

I cannot find your fathers birth........what was the name given on his birth certificate for mothers maiden name.

I have found the other 2 Roder children but not your dads.

on all 3 of their birth certs including my dads states COLES he is called david victor roder born in April of 1946 in dartford

Roden David V Coles Dartford 2a 1986

Your dad is recorded as David V. Roden on Findmypast.

Kath. x

There are only two Cedric Coles on the 1911 census. One has a middle name and is from the north of the country. This is the other one:-

1911 census transcription details for: Newtown Talaton Ottery St Mary

National Archive Reference:
RG14PN12566 RG78PN721 RD269 SD2 ED15 SN86
Reg. District: Honiton
Sub District: Ottery St Mary
Parish: Talaton
Enum. District: 15

Address: Newtown Talaton Ottery St Mary
County: Devonshire

Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born

COLES, Francis Head Married M 46 1865 Farm Labourer Cullompton Devon
COLES, Alice Wife Married
22 years F 42 1869 Exeter Devon
COLES, Merlyn Daughter F 11 1900 School Whimple Devon
COLES, Barnett Son M 10 1901 School Whimple Devon
COLES, Cedric Son M 9 1902 Whimple Devon<<<<<<<<<<<
COLES, Ivy Daughter F 6 1905 Talaton Devon

Kath. x

I wonder if this marriage and birth could be a possibility (although it would rule out the adoption theory):-

This could possibly be the marriage of the Cedric in the 1911 census (his first name could be after his father Francis):-

Name: COLES, Frank C
Registration district: Bideford
County: Devon
Year of registration: 1920
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Spouse's last name: Blight
Volume no: 5B
Page no: 1162

Name: BLIGHT, Matilda
Registration district: Bideford
County: Devon
Year of registration: 1920
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Spouse's last name: Coles
Volume no: 5B
Page no: 1162
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There is then this birth which would cover the date you say your grandmother was born:-

Name: COLE, Elizabeth P M -----(note her second name could be Patience and the "s" could have been missed off the record on the index)
Registration district: Bideford
County: Devon
Year of registration: 1927
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Mother's maiden name: Blight
Volume no: 5B
Page no: 605

Kath. x

Possible sibling of the above:-

Name: COLE, Jean M ---(could this be sister mary if she used middle name?)
Registration district: Plymouth
County: Devon
Year of registration: 1932
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Mother's maiden name: Blight
Volume no: 5B
Page no: 268

Think that you will find that the Cedric Coles in 1911 census is :_


Births Jun 1902
COLES Cedric Henry St. Thomas 5b 45


St Thomas covers Whimple

Ohhhh...what a shame. That's my theory down the drain, LOL.

Ignore my last two posts.

Kath. x

Sorry Kath :-(

all kind of adds up tho Kath because JEAN again comes up this is my aunty jeans first name funny how the names seem to always keep popping up tho!! iv actually just searched a census record about the COLES in1 1881 i followed it back abit and they were in the work house in 40 poland street westminster. And as i scrolled down i found lady susan coles who was blind and deaf now mary coles who my dad had heard of being his mums sister was blind. All keeps adding up the links lol some how

awwwwwwww you have really shed more light on the whole thing tho i am going to investigate this family further and see if anyone knows of an adoption that took place. She was definately adopted its just tracing her blood family name which was summers.