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UPDATE applied for her adoption cert with no luck they searched both names summers and coles and they didnt have it on record. So i have emailed the records in london and bournmouth to see if they have any ideas. : )

think it will just state her as coles which is what we already know

hi there yes she knew she was adopted i will defo get the death cert i wasnt sure what info it would give me

xlouisexroderx,

Yes you need your grandma's death cert as it usually gives the maiden name for a woman.
especially if she was adopted..

Did she know she was adopted.???

awwwwwwww you have really shed more light on the whole thing tho i am going to investigate this family further and see if anyone knows of an adoption that took place. She was definately adopted its just tracing her blood family name which was summers.

all kind of adds up tho Kath because JEAN again comes up this is my aunty jeans first name funny how the names seem to always keep popping up tho!! iv actually just searched a census record about the COLES in1 1881 i followed it back abit and they were in the work house in 40 poland street westminster. And as i scrolled down i found lady susan coles who was blind and deaf now mary coles who my dad had heard of being his mums sister was blind. All keeps adding up the links lol some how

Sorry Kath :-(

Ohhhh...what a shame. That's my theory down the drain, LOL.

Ignore my last two posts.

Kath. x

Think that you will find that the Cedric Coles in 1911 census is :_


Births Jun 1902
COLES Cedric Henry St. Thomas 5b 45


St Thomas covers Whimple

Possible sibling of the above:-

Name: COLE, Jean M ---(could this be sister mary if she used middle name?)
Registration district: Plymouth
County: Devon
Year of registration: 1932
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Mother's maiden name: Blight
Volume no: 5B
Page no: 268

I wonder if this marriage and birth could be a possibility (although it would rule out the adoption theory):-

This could possibly be the marriage of the Cedric in the 1911 census (his first name could be after his father Francis):-

Name: COLES, Frank C
Registration district: Bideford
County: Devon
Year of registration: 1920
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Spouse's last name: Blight
Volume no: 5B
Page no: 1162

Name: BLIGHT, Matilda
Registration district: Bideford
County: Devon
Year of registration: 1920
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Spouse's last name: Coles
Volume no: 5B
Page no: 1162
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There is then this birth which would cover the date you say your grandmother was born:-

Name: COLE, Elizabeth P M -----(note her second name could be Patience and the "s" could have been missed off the record on the index)
Registration district: Bideford
County: Devon
Year of registration: 1927
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Mother's maiden name: Blight
Volume no: 5B
Page no: 605

Kath. x

There are only two Cedric Coles on the 1911 census. One has a middle name and is from the north of the country. This is the other one:-

1911 census transcription details for: Newtown Talaton Ottery St Mary

National Archive Reference:
RG14PN12566 RG78PN721 RD269 SD2 ED15 SN86
Reg. District: Honiton
Sub District: Ottery St Mary
Parish: Talaton
Enum. District: 15

Address: Newtown Talaton Ottery St Mary
County: Devonshire

Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born

COLES, Francis Head Married M 46 1865 Farm Labourer Cullompton Devon
COLES, Alice Wife Married
22 years F 42 1869 Exeter Devon
COLES, Merlyn Daughter F 11 1900 School Whimple Devon
COLES, Barnett Son M 10 1901 School Whimple Devon
COLES, Cedric Son M 9 1902 Whimple Devon<<<<<<<<<<<
COLES, Ivy Daughter F 6 1905 Talaton Devon

Kath. x

Your dad is recorded as David V. Roden on Findmypast.

Kath. x

Roden David V Coles Dartford 2a 1986

on all 3 of their birth certs including my dads states COLES he is called david victor roder born in April of 1946 in dartford

I cannot find your fathers birth........what was the name given on his birth certificate for mothers maiden name.

I have found the other 2 Roder children but not your dads.

I have looked up for a Ronald summers but i havent found anything as yet

Witness at the wedding was my grandfathers mother Alice and I would have to check again to see who the other one was.

Hi there well all we have are stories to go by i think it states he was a farmer or a builder if i can remember on the marriage cert of my grandparents. I also think that possibly COLES were the adopted family too and summers was the blood family. My dad tells of stories gettimg large farming sets for xmas from his mothers side of the family.

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2006

Name: Patience Roder
Birth Date: 13 Oct 1927
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1978
Age at Death: 50
Registration district: Sheppey
Inferred County: Kent
Volume: 16
Page: 1720