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Unknown

Unknown Report 21 Nov 2012 23:01

Hi everyone,

I was wondering if anyone could help me?

Queenie is my aunt, born about 1905 and died in the 70's. I have a little dilema. Queenie suppossedly married George Reader. They were definately a couple as i was growing up. But contrary to this, i can't find a marriage document for them. The other little dilema is Brian. My aunt and uncle never had children. When i was young i remember Brian appearing one day. Now i have lost touch with Brian so i cant ask what he knows. In my mind i believe Brian to have been adopted.

I was wondering if anyone could possibly shed some light on this please.

I'd be very grateful for any help anyone could give me.

Thank you

Terrie

jansmith

jansmith Report 21 Nov 2012 23:30

could this be the death index
Name: Queenie Reader
Birth Date: 2 May 1905
Date of Registration: Mar 1986
Age at Death: 80
Registration district: Wandsworth
Inferred County: London
Volume: 15
Page: 1444

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 21 Nov 2012 23:32

a location would be good Terrie

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 21 Nov 2012 23:33

Queenie Ball
England and Wales Census, 1911
birth: London Tooting,? London
census: 1911 Mitcham,? Merton,? Surrey,? England


name: Queenie Ball
event: Census
event date: 1911
gender: Female
age: 6
birthplace: London Tooting, London
record type: Household
registration district: Croydon
sub-district: Mitcham
parish: Mitcham
county: Surrey

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 21 Nov 2012 23:33

Queenie Ball
England and Wales Census, 1911
birth: Hackney,? Middlesex
census: 1911 Lambeth,? Kennington S E,? London,? England


name: Queenie Ball
event: Census
event date: 1911
gender: Female
age: 6
birthplace: Hackney, Middlesex
record type: Household
registration district: Lambeth
sub-district: Kennington
parish: Lambeth
county: London

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 21 Nov 2012 23:34

Queenie Rosannah Ball
England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 13 Mar 1908 Smethwick,? Stafford,? England
residence: Smethwick,? Stafford,? England
parents: Thomas Ball,? Susan Ball


name: Queenie Rosannah Ball
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 13 Mar 1908
baptism/christening place: Smethwick, Stafford, England
father's name: Thomas Ball
mother's name: Susan Ball
indexing project (batch) number: I01086-4
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 6085669

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 21 Nov 2012 23:34

Queenie Ball
England and Wales Census, 1911
birth: Forest Town,? Nottinghamshire
census: 1911 Mansfield Woodhouse,? Forest Town Mansfield,? Nottinghamshire,? England


name: Queenie Ball
event: Census
event date: 1911
gender: Female
age: 1
birthplace: Forest Town, Nottinghamshire
record type: Household
registration district: Mansfield
sub-district: Warsop
parish: Mansfield Woodhouse
county: Nottinghamshire

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 21 Nov 2012 23:35

that's all the Queenie Ball's in the UK in the 1900s

jansmith

jansmith Report 21 Nov 2012 23:36

THIS LOOKS LIKE HER
1st marriage sept qter 1928
ADAWAY Alfred Ball Croydon 2a 867
Ball Queenie Adaway Croydon 2a 867

2nd marriage
Name: Queenie Adaway
Spouse George R Reader
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1938
Registration district: Surrey Mid Eastern
Inferred County: Surrey
Volume Number: 2a
Page Number: 1022

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 21 Nov 2012 23:37



name: Jesse Albert Edwin /READER/
gender: Male
birth: 4 November 1870
Milton by Gravesend Kent. 50 Wellington Street
christening: 17 September 1871
Milton by Gravesend Kent. Christchurch
death: September 1913
Gravesend Kent 2a 648
census: 1871
Milton by Gravesend Kent. 50 Wellington Street [1]
census: 1881
Milton by Gravesend Kent. 10 New Street [2]
census: 1891
Milton by Gravesend Kent. 59 Edwin Street [3]
census: 1901
Milton by Gravesend Kent. 07 Prospect Place [4]
census: 1911
Gravesend Kent. 10 Prospect Place


Parents
father: Jesse /READER/
mother: Emma Catherine /Turner/

Marriages (1)
spouse: Charlotte /Smith/
marriage: 1 July 1895
Swanscombe Kent. Saints Peter & Paul
Hide children (9)

child 1: Cecil Hannah /READER/
gender: Female
BIRTH 25 February 1899
Denton Kent. 02 Prospect Place
CHRISTENING 26 September 1899
Milton by Gravesend Kent. Saints Peter & Paul
DEATH December 1899
Gravesend Kent 2a 361

child 2: Violet Dorothy /READER/
gender: Female
BIRTH 15 August 1900
Denton Kent. 02 Prospect Place
CHRISTENING 26 September 1900
Milton by Gravesend Kent. Saints Peter & Paul
DEATH December 1941
Dover Kent 2a 2147
CENSUS 1901
Milton by Gravesend Kent. 07 Prospect Place
CENSUS 1911
Gravesend Kent. 10 Prospect Place

child 3: Alec /READER/
gender: Male
BIRTH Denton Kent. 10 Prospect Place
CHRISTENING 5 September 1910
Milton by Gravesend Kent. Saints Peter & Paul
DEATH September 1910
Gravesend Kent 2a 308

child 4: George /READER/
gender: Male
BIRTH 1902
Gravesend Kent
DEATH 1911

CENSUS 1911
Gravesend Kent. 10 Prospect Place

child 5: Charlotte Mabel /READER/
gender: Female
BIRTH 9 June 1897
Denton Kent. 07 Prospect Place
CHRISTENING 9 January 1898
Gravesend Kent. Holy Trinity
DEATH 1933

CENSUS 1901
Milton by Gravesend Kent. 07 Prospect Place
CENSUS 1911
Gravesend Kent. 10 Prospect Place

child 6: Alice Jessie /READER/
gender: Female
BIRTH 3 November 1895
Swanscombe Kent
CHRISTENING 19 August 1896
Swanscombe Kent. Saints Peter & Paul
DEATH 1911

CENSUS 1901
Milton by Gravesend Kent. 07 Prospect Place
CENSUS 1911
Gravesend Kent. 10 Prospect Place

child 7: Emily Beatrice M. /READER/
gender: Female
BIRTH March 1905
Gravesend 2a 669
DEATH 1911

CENSUS 1911
Gravesend Kent. 10 Prospect Place

child 8: Eddie /READER/
gender: Unknown
BIRTH Denton Kent. 10 Prospect Place
CHRISTENING 5 September 1910
Milton by Gravesend Kent. Saints Peter & Paul
DEATH September 1910
Gravesend Kent 2a 308

child 9: Rowland /READER/
gender: Female
BIRTH 1909
Gravesend Kent
DEATH 1911

CENSUS 1911
Gravesend Kent. 10 Prospect Place


Submission
submission id: MMC8-12M
person count: 546

Notes
¦1871 - Age 5 months. With mother Emma & Grandmother 1881 - Age 10 1891 - Age 21. In lodgings 1901 - Age 30 1911 - Age 42. Married 16 years. 10 children all alive 1913 - Died age 44
¦Named as Jesse Reader aged 24. Bachelor Charlotte aged 23. Both of the same address.
Witnessed by George & Ada Smith (?her sister brn 1874)

Sources
1.Reader - Jesse Albert Edwin - 1871
2.Reader - Jesse - 1881
3.Reader - Jesse Albert Edwin - 1891
4.Reader - Jesse Albert Edwin - 1901

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 21 Nov 2012 23:38

and who's Brian and what's his connection to all this? :-S

jansmith

jansmith Report 21 Nov 2012 23:47

Ann i think the marriage i posted looks good so i think that might be needed if more info is needed unless parents are known?

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 22 Nov 2012 00:07

Name: George Robert Reader
Probate Date: 2 Mar 1964
Death Date: 13 May 1963
Death Place: London, England
Registry: London, England


George Robert Reader of 25 Lyvedon Road, Tooting died at St Helier Hospital . Administration to Queenie Reader, widow. Effects £3328



Name: George R Reader
Birth Date: abt 1912
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1963
Age at Death: 51
Registration district: Surrey North Eastern
Inferred County: Surrey
Volume: 5g
Page: 570


Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 22 Nov 2012 08:13

1911
BALL, Joseph Head Married M 42 1869 Genl Labourer London Wandsworth
BALL, William Son Single M 19 1892 Genl Carman London Streatham
BALL, Joseph Son Single M 17 1894 Greengrocer Assistant London Streatham
BALL, Elizabeth Daughter Single F 16 1895 Enamel Factory London Streatham
BALL, John Son M 14 1897 Help In A Lady Family Surrey Mitcham
BALL, Ivy Daughter F 12 1899 School Surrey Mitcham
BALL, Ellen Daughter F 8 1903 School London Streatham
BALL, Queenie Daughter F 6 1905 School London Tooting
BALL, Eva Daughter F 3 1908 School London Tooting
BALL, Emily Wife Married23 years F 40 1871 Merton Surrey
RG number: RG14
Piece: 3446
Reference: RG14PN3446 RG78PN129 RD39 SD6 ED26 SN288
Registration District: Croydon
Sub District: Mitcham
Enumeration District: 26
Parish: Mitcham
Address: 84 Fortescue Road Merton
County: Surrey

(is it the above?)

Chris :)

1901
BALLS, Joseph Head Married M 30 1871 Agricultural Labourer
Wandsworth, London
BALLS, Emily Wife Married F 29 1872 Laundress
Mitcham, Surrey
BALLS, Emily Daughter F 11 1890
Mitcham, Surrey
BALLS, William Son M 9 1892
Mitcham, Surrey
BALLS, Joseph Son M 7 1894
Mitcham, Surrey
BALLS, Elizabeth Daughter F 6 1895
Mitcham, Surrey
BALLS, John Son M 4 1897
Mitcham, Surrey
BALLS, Ivy Irene Daughter F 2 1899
Mitcham, Surrey
Piece: 655
Folio: 121
Page: 8
Registration District: Croydon
Civil Parish: Mitcham
Municipal Borough:
Address: 9, Allens Cottages, East Fields, Mitcham
County: Surrey

edits (am sure Tooting was mentioned in posting, can't see it now!. Yes, 'Search All Trees')


Births Jun 1905 (>99%)
-----------------------------------------------------
Balls Queenie Wandsworth 1d 710

Unknown

Unknown Report 22 Nov 2012 20:06

Hi everyone,

sorry i havent gotten back to you sooner. Been a long day :-S

Right, first of all thank you for all of this information, if you could just bare with me a little longer so i can go through it properly.

Thank you all so much. i'll get back to you soon

All the best

Terrie

Unknown

Unknown Report 23 Nov 2012 01:21

Ok, so i have had a look through these and the 1901 and 1911 census that Chris Ho has posted are correct for Queenie. Also the death info for George Robert Reader is correct.

Now Brian, i know his surname was different to my aunt and uncle. I dont know how old he was. All we know is he appeared one day to live with Queenie and George. Very little is known about him. Once i know more i'll post again.

Thanks everyone

Terrie

jansmith

jansmith Report 23 Nov 2012 02:03

Hi Terrie
Do you think the marriage info i posted could be correct and that it is a 2nd marriage for Queenie if so this could be Alfred's death
Name: Alfred Adaway
Birth Date: abt 1901
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1938
Age at Death: 37
Registration district: Chelsea
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1a
Page: 463

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 23 Nov 2012 07:09

Death
Name: READER, Queenie
Registration district: [?] Wandsworth
County: London
Year of registration: 1986
Month of registration: March
Date of Birth:2 May 1905
Volume no: 15
Page no: 1444
Reg no: 386

(wonder if a Will was left, might hold a clue!)


http://www.justice.gov.uk/courts/probate/copies-of-grants-wills

Chris :)

(edits with apology, just seen Jan has posted Death earlier!)

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 23 Nov 2012 09:13

London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965

Name: Queenie Reader
Year: 1965
County or Borough: Mitcham
Ward or Division/Constituency: Mitcham West
Street Address: 25 Lyveden Road
Reference Number: LCC/PER/B/3051

(same at 1964)

Chris :)

edits (have taken off other occupants, and sent PM, not happy putting names in case living!)

Unknown

Unknown Report 23 Nov 2012 22:07

Hi Jansmith,

Im not sure yet as there has never been any mention of her having married twice. I know she was believed to have married George Robert Reader but so far what i have found is that there is no record of them marrying. I have spoken to my mother about the marriages and she said that she did marry george but has never heard of Alfred Adaway but she believes this to be Queenie.

Chris, i am just about to look into what you have sent me so i will get back to you soon.

Also after speaking to my mother she has given me a little more information on Brian. She has said that Brian is a relative of George's that Queenie and George took in when he was young. She did not know if Brian had the same last name as George or not.

Thank you so much for all your help

Terrie