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21 Nov 2012 23:01 |
Hi everyone,
I was wondering if anyone could help me?
Queenie is my aunt, born about 1905 and died in the 70's. I have a little dilema. Queenie suppossedly married George Reader. They were definately a couple as i was growing up. But contrary to this, i can't find a marriage document for them. The other little dilema is Brian. My aunt and uncle never had children. When i was young i remember Brian appearing one day. Now i have lost touch with Brian so i cant ask what he knows. In my mind i believe Brian to have been adopted.
I was wondering if anyone could possibly shed some light on this please.
I'd be very grateful for any help anyone could give me.
Thank you
Terrie
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jansmith
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21 Nov 2012 23:30 |
could this be the death index Name: Queenie Reader Birth Date: 2 May 1905 Date of Registration: Mar 1986 Age at Death: 80 Registration district: Wandsworth Inferred County: London Volume: 15 Page: 1444
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21 Nov 2012 23:32 |
a location would be good Terrie
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21 Nov 2012 23:33 |
Queenie Ball England and Wales Census, 1911 birth: London Tooting,? London census: 1911 Mitcham,? Merton,? Surrey,? England name: Queenie Ball event: Census event date: 1911 gender: Female age: 6 birthplace: London Tooting, London record type: Household registration district: Croydon sub-district: Mitcham parish: Mitcham county: Surrey
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21 Nov 2012 23:33 |
Queenie Ball England and Wales Census, 1911 birth: Hackney,? Middlesex census: 1911 Lambeth,? Kennington S E,? London,? England name: Queenie Ball event: Census event date: 1911 gender: Female age: 6 birthplace: Hackney, Middlesex record type: Household registration district: Lambeth sub-district: Kennington parish: Lambeth county: London
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21 Nov 2012 23:34 |
Queenie Rosannah Ball England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 christening: 13 Mar 1908 Smethwick,? Stafford,? England residence: Smethwick,? Stafford,? England parents: Thomas Ball,? Susan Ball
name: Queenie Rosannah Ball gender: Female baptism/christening date: 13 Mar 1908 baptism/christening place: Smethwick, Stafford, England father's name: Thomas Ball mother's name: Susan Ball indexing project (batch) number: I01086-4 system origin: England-EASy source film number: 6085669
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21 Nov 2012 23:34 |
Queenie Ball England and Wales Census, 1911 birth: Forest Town,? Nottinghamshire census: 1911 Mansfield Woodhouse,? Forest Town Mansfield,? Nottinghamshire,? England name: Queenie Ball event: Census event date: 1911 gender: Female age: 1 birthplace: Forest Town, Nottinghamshire record type: Household registration district: Mansfield sub-district: Warsop parish: Mansfield Woodhouse county: Nottinghamshire
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AnnCardiff
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21 Nov 2012 23:35 |
that's all the Queenie Ball's in the UK in the 1900s
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jansmith
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21 Nov 2012 23:36 |
THIS LOOKS LIKE HER 1st marriage sept qter 1928 ADAWAY Alfred Ball Croydon 2a 867 Ball Queenie Adaway Croydon 2a 867
2nd marriage Name: Queenie Adaway Spouse George R Reader Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1938 Registration district: Surrey Mid Eastern Inferred County: Surrey Volume Number: 2a Page Number: 1022
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21 Nov 2012 23:37 |
name: Jesse Albert Edwin /READER/ gender: Male birth: 4 November 1870 Milton by Gravesend Kent. 50 Wellington Street christening: 17 September 1871 Milton by Gravesend Kent. Christchurch death: September 1913 Gravesend Kent 2a 648 census: 1871 Milton by Gravesend Kent. 50 Wellington Street [1] census: 1881 Milton by Gravesend Kent. 10 New Street [2] census: 1891 Milton by Gravesend Kent. 59 Edwin Street [3] census: 1901 Milton by Gravesend Kent. 07 Prospect Place [4] census: 1911 Gravesend Kent. 10 Prospect Place
Parents father: Jesse /READER/ mother: Emma Catherine /Turner/
Marriages (1) spouse: Charlotte /Smith/ marriage: 1 July 1895 Swanscombe Kent. Saints Peter & Paul Hide children (9) child 1: Cecil Hannah /READER/ gender: Female BIRTH 25 February 1899 Denton Kent. 02 Prospect Place CHRISTENING 26 September 1899 Milton by Gravesend Kent. Saints Peter & Paul DEATH December 1899 Gravesend Kent 2a 361 child 2: Violet Dorothy /READER/ gender: Female BIRTH 15 August 1900 Denton Kent. 02 Prospect Place CHRISTENING 26 September 1900 Milton by Gravesend Kent. Saints Peter & Paul DEATH December 1941 Dover Kent 2a 2147 CENSUS 1901 Milton by Gravesend Kent. 07 Prospect Place CENSUS 1911 Gravesend Kent. 10 Prospect Place child 3: Alec /READER/ gender: Male BIRTH Denton Kent. 10 Prospect Place CHRISTENING 5 September 1910 Milton by Gravesend Kent. Saints Peter & Paul DEATH September 1910 Gravesend Kent 2a 308 child 4: George /READER/ gender: Male BIRTH 1902 Gravesend Kent DEATH 1911 CENSUS 1911 Gravesend Kent. 10 Prospect Place child 5: Charlotte Mabel /READER/ gender: Female BIRTH 9 June 1897 Denton Kent. 07 Prospect Place CHRISTENING 9 January 1898 Gravesend Kent. Holy Trinity DEATH 1933 CENSUS 1901 Milton by Gravesend Kent. 07 Prospect Place CENSUS 1911 Gravesend Kent. 10 Prospect Place child 6: Alice Jessie /READER/ gender: Female BIRTH 3 November 1895 Swanscombe Kent CHRISTENING 19 August 1896 Swanscombe Kent. Saints Peter & Paul DEATH 1911 CENSUS 1901 Milton by Gravesend Kent. 07 Prospect Place CENSUS 1911 Gravesend Kent. 10 Prospect Place child 7: Emily Beatrice M. /READER/ gender: Female BIRTH March 1905 Gravesend 2a 669 DEATH 1911 CENSUS 1911 Gravesend Kent. 10 Prospect Place child 8: Eddie /READER/ gender: Unknown BIRTH Denton Kent. 10 Prospect Place CHRISTENING 5 September 1910 Milton by Gravesend Kent. Saints Peter & Paul DEATH September 1910 Gravesend Kent 2a 308 child 9: Rowland /READER/ gender: Female BIRTH 1909 Gravesend Kent DEATH 1911 CENSUS 1911 Gravesend Kent. 10 Prospect Place
Submission submission id: MMC8-12M person count: 546
Notes ¦1871 - Age 5 months. With mother Emma & Grandmother 1881 - Age 10 1891 - Age 21. In lodgings 1901 - Age 30 1911 - Age 42. Married 16 years. 10 children all alive 1913 - Died age 44 ¦Named as Jesse Reader aged 24. Bachelor Charlotte aged 23. Both of the same address. Witnessed by George & Ada Smith (?her sister brn 1874)
Sources 1.Reader - Jesse Albert Edwin - 1871 2.Reader - Jesse - 1881 3.Reader - Jesse Albert Edwin - 1891 4.Reader - Jesse Albert Edwin - 1901
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21 Nov 2012 23:38 |
and who's Brian and what's his connection to all this? :-S
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jansmith
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21 Nov 2012 23:47 |
Ann i think the marriage i posted looks good so i think that might be needed if more info is needed unless parents are known?
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22 Nov 2012 00:07 |
Name: George Robert Reader Probate Date: 2 Mar 1964 Death Date: 13 May 1963 Death Place: London, England Registry: London, England
George Robert Reader of 25 Lyvedon Road, Tooting died at St Helier Hospital . Administration to Queenie Reader, widow. Effects £3328
Name: George R Reader Birth Date: abt 1912 Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1963 Age at Death: 51 Registration district: Surrey North Eastern Inferred County: Surrey Volume: 5g Page: 570
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Chris Ho :)
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22 Nov 2012 08:13 |
1911 BALL, Joseph Head Married M 42 1869 Genl Labourer London Wandsworth BALL, William Son Single M 19 1892 Genl Carman London Streatham BALL, Joseph Son Single M 17 1894 Greengrocer Assistant London Streatham BALL, Elizabeth Daughter Single F 16 1895 Enamel Factory London Streatham BALL, John Son M 14 1897 Help In A Lady Family Surrey Mitcham BALL, Ivy Daughter F 12 1899 School Surrey Mitcham BALL, Ellen Daughter F 8 1903 School London Streatham BALL, Queenie Daughter F 6 1905 School London Tooting BALL, Eva Daughter F 3 1908 School London Tooting BALL, Emily Wife Married23 years F 40 1871 Merton Surrey RG number: RG14 Piece: 3446 Reference: RG14PN3446 RG78PN129 RD39 SD6 ED26 SN288 Registration District: Croydon Sub District: Mitcham Enumeration District: 26 Parish: Mitcham Address: 84 Fortescue Road Merton County: Surrey
(is it the above?)
Chris :)
1901 BALLS, Joseph Head Married M 30 1871 Agricultural Labourer Wandsworth, London BALLS, Emily Wife Married F 29 1872 Laundress Mitcham, Surrey BALLS, Emily Daughter F 11 1890 Mitcham, Surrey BALLS, William Son M 9 1892 Mitcham, Surrey BALLS, Joseph Son M 7 1894 Mitcham, Surrey BALLS, Elizabeth Daughter F 6 1895 Mitcham, Surrey BALLS, John Son M 4 1897 Mitcham, Surrey BALLS, Ivy Irene Daughter F 2 1899 Mitcham, Surrey Piece: 655 Folio: 121 Page: 8 Registration District: Croydon Civil Parish: Mitcham Municipal Borough: Address: 9, Allens Cottages, East Fields, Mitcham County: Surrey
edits (am sure Tooting was mentioned in posting, can't see it now!. Yes, 'Search All Trees')
Births Jun 1905 (>99%) ----------------------------------------------------- Balls Queenie Wandsworth 1d 710
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22 Nov 2012 20:06 |
Hi everyone,
sorry i havent gotten back to you sooner. Been a long day :-S
Right, first of all thank you for all of this information, if you could just bare with me a little longer so i can go through it properly.
Thank you all so much. i'll get back to you soon
All the best
Terrie
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23 Nov 2012 01:21 |
Ok, so i have had a look through these and the 1901 and 1911 census that Chris Ho has posted are correct for Queenie. Also the death info for George Robert Reader is correct.
Now Brian, i know his surname was different to my aunt and uncle. I dont know how old he was. All we know is he appeared one day to live with Queenie and George. Very little is known about him. Once i know more i'll post again.
Thanks everyone
Terrie
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23 Nov 2012 02:03 |
Hi Terrie Do you think the marriage info i posted could be correct and that it is a 2nd marriage for Queenie if so this could be Alfred's death Name: Alfred Adaway Birth Date: abt 1901 Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1938 Age at Death: 37 Registration district: Chelsea Inferred County: London Volume: 1a Page: 463
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Chris Ho :)
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23 Nov 2012 07:09 |
Death Name: READER, Queenie Registration district: [?] Wandsworth County: London Year of registration: 1986 Month of registration: March Date of Birth:2 May 1905 Volume no: 15 Page no: 1444 Reg no: 386
(wonder if a Will was left, might hold a clue!)
http://www.justice.gov.uk/courts/probate/copies-of-grants-wills
Chris :)
(edits with apology, just seen Jan has posted Death earlier!)
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23 Nov 2012 09:13 |
London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965
Name: Queenie Reader Year: 1965 County or Borough: Mitcham Ward or Division/Constituency: Mitcham West Street Address: 25 Lyveden Road Reference Number: LCC/PER/B/3051
(same at 1964)
Chris :)
edits (have taken off other occupants, and sent PM, not happy putting names in case living!)
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23 Nov 2012 22:07 |
Hi Jansmith,
Im not sure yet as there has never been any mention of her having married twice. I know she was believed to have married George Robert Reader but so far what i have found is that there is no record of them marrying. I have spoken to my mother about the marriages and she said that she did marry george but has never heard of Alfred Adaway but she believes this to be Queenie.
Chris, i am just about to look into what you have sent me so i will get back to you soon.
Also after speaking to my mother she has given me a little more information on Brian. She has said that Brian is a relative of George's that Queenie and George took in when he was young. She did not know if Brian had the same last name as George or not.
Thank you so much for all your help
Terrie
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