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TeresaL

TeresaL Report 24 Nov 2012 21:18

HI
Can any body help me i am trying to find the marriage of Thomas Jones & Mary Clarke ,( my grandparents) they were living in Stretford, Mancester when my dad also Thomas Jones was born in 1908 but sadly both died in 1910 aged 30yrs & 33yrs i have the death certs for both, he was then adopted by John william and Annie Ashworth. i cant go back any further until i know who their parents were.

kind regards
Teresa

Yvonne

Yvonne Report 24 Nov 2012 21:25

Hi Teresa

Mary Ann Clarke & Thomas Shakeshaft Jones, Dec 1885, Manchester, 8d/341

Yvonne

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Click ADD REPLY button - not this link! Report 24 Nov 2012 21:46

Did you just delete your other thread on this because I had added several responses?

Rose

Gwyn in Kent

Gwyn in Kent Report 24 Nov 2012 21:47

Births... quite likely a family link somewhere..?

Births Jun 1849
Jones Thomas Shakeshaft Wolverhampton 17 424

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Births Jun 1850
Jones Thomas Shakeshaft Hardingstone 15 2__

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Births Sep 1887
JONES Thomas Shakeshaft Belper 7b 627

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TeresaL

TeresaL Report 24 Nov 2012 21:52

Hi Rose

Sorry deleted other thread because i was told i had put it in wrong place.
Teresa

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Click ADD REPLY button - not this link! Report 24 Nov 2012 21:57

Mary was 30 in 1910 so a 1885 marriage is out of the question.

Rose

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Click ADD REPLY button - not this link! Report 24 Nov 2012 22:01

Where there any other children?

Have you looked for them in 1901?

Rose

TeresaL

TeresaL Report 24 Nov 2012 22:27

We haven't found any other children, and we haven't found them as a couple in 1901. But both are possibilities. However, if my Dad was adopted, why weren't any other children - unless they'd died.

I've had a few suggestions tonight, but until I find the marriage, I can't prove or disprove any of them.

Teresa

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Who were the informants on the death certs? What was Thomas' occupation?

Rose

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Click ADD REPLY button - not this link! Report 24 Nov 2012 22:35

What did Mary die of?

Rose

lancashireAnn

lancashireAnn Report 24 Nov 2012 22:51

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Mike *

Mike * Report 25 Nov 2012 01:23

This one is a railway worker living in Manchester

1901

Thomas Jones
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Mother's Name: Jane Jones

Where born: Whitchurch, Shropshire, England

Civil parish: South Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish: Ardwick St Benedict


Thomas Jones 24 - Railway Carter - Whitchurch
Jane Jones 52 - Mother - Whitchurch
Walter Jones 18 - brother - Manchester




TeresaL

TeresaL Report 25 Nov 2012 10:16

Thanks for all your posts.

Mary died of valvular heart disease, her death was notified by her husband, Thomas. Thomas died later the same year (1910) of TB. He was in the Patricroft Workhouse Infirmary (the master of the workhouse notified the death), but under 'occupation' on his death cert it states 'dock labourer of 17 Ogden Street, Stretford'. We believe the '17' to be a mistake. On the 1901 census the house numbers only went to 11, there being a factory on the other side of the road. On Thomas junior's 1908 birth cert, his father's occupation is 'general labourer'.

Teresa

Flip

Flip Report 25 Nov 2012 10:46

There is a 17 Ogden Street, Stretford on the 1911 census though! It's on FMP so I don't know who was living there in 1911.

Have you considered this marriage?

Marriages Sep 1907 (>99%)
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CLARK Mary Ann Liverpool 8b 259
JONES Thomas Henry Liverpool 8b 259
LEADBETTER John Henry Liverpool 8b 259

There's a bride missing from freebmd though so no sure who married Mary Clark.

Dea

Dea Report 25 Nov 2012 10:57

Unfortunately Mary Ann Clark on 1907 marriage married John Henry Leadbetter.

Dea x

Dea

Dea Report 25 Nov 2012 11:14

Baptisms: 26 Oct 1910 St Philip, Salford, Lancashire, England
Thomas Jones - Child of Thomas Jones & Mary
Abode: 26 Peru Street, Salford
Occupation: Dock Labourer
Baptised by: J. G. Simpson
Register: Baptisms 1883 - 1914, Page 476, Entry 3845
Source: LDS Film 1408660

This is the address he was living at in 1911 with John + Ann Ashworth.

Dea x

TeresaL

TeresaL Report 25 Nov 2012 11:15

Thanks Flip,

That's one advantage of an FMP membership then, the ability to search an address on the census!

FMP also shows the 'other woman' in the Sep 1907 marriages above as Jane Roberts. 1911 census shows John H Leadbetter with wife Mary A having been married 4 years living in West Derby, Liverpool.

Teresa

Flip

Flip Report 25 Nov 2012 11:25

Ok, I just came back to rule out that marriage, but you've beat me to it!

What date did Thomas die? - just curious whether Thomas jnr was christened before his death or after.

TeresaL

TeresaL Report 25 Nov 2012 11:46

Hi Dea,

Yes, we found that info on the Lancashire Parish Database. Thomas lived at 26 Peru Street after he was adopted by the Ashworth family. This baptism took place 16 days after the death of his father. We've been trying to find out whether the Ashworths were related to either Thomas senior or Mary, with no success yet. I have been in contact with descendants of the Ashworths, but we have no idea if we are blood-relatives.

Teresa

Dea

Dea Report 25 Nov 2012 11:58

Well, this is the marriage of John Ashworth + Ann (Chapman)

Marriage: 24 Mar 1894 St Philip, Salford, Lancashire, England
John William Ashworth - 24 Clerk Bachelor of 1 Market Square
Ann Chapman - 23 Stitcher Spinster of 1 Market Square
Groom's Father: Charles Ashworth, (dead), Labourer
Bride's Father: James Chapman, Carter
Witness: Hannah Chapman; Agnes Ashworth
Married by Banns by: H. Browning
Register: Marriages 1891 - 1900, Page 65, Entry 130
Source: Parish Register


1891:
CHAPMAN, James Head Married M 64 1827 Carter
Over Alderley, Cheshire VIEW
CHAPMAN, Ann Wife Married F 65 1826
Davyhulme, Lancashire VIEW
CHAPMAN, Mary Daughter Single F 33 1858
Salford, Lancashire VIEW
CHAPMAN, James Son Single M 29 1862 Carter
Salford, Lancashire VIEW
CHAPMAN, Ralph Son Single M 22 1869 Coachman
Salford, Lancashire VIEW
CHAPMAN, Ann Daughter Single F 20 1871 Machine Sticker
Salford, Lancashire VIEW

Piece: 3215
Folio: 79
Page: 14
Registration District: Salford
Civil Parish: Salford
Municipal Borough: Salford
Address: 1, Market Square, Salford
County: Lancashire

Dea x