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1930 US Census

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bob

bob Report 25 Nov 2012 13:46

If anyone has access to the 1930 US Census, I would be most grateful if they could let me know what information there is on Frederick J Cain. Shown in New York City, NY. Birth about 1872, birthplace England. If there is info on the 1920 census I would be pleased to hear about it. I know he left England after the UK 1911 Census.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 25 Nov 2012 13:49

1930 United States Federal Census

Name: Frederick J Cain
Gender: Male
Birth Year: abt 1872
Birthplace: England
Race: White
Home in 1930: Manhattan, New York, New York
Marital Status: Married
Immigration Year: 1923
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's Name: Helen Cain
Father's Birthplace: England
Mother's Birthplace: England
Occupation: Houseman
Education:
Military Service:
Rent/home value: $40 per month
Age at first marriage: 46
Parents' birthplace: England

Household Members:
Name Age
Frederick J Cain 58
Helen Cain 43 born Scotland, immigration 1927. Age 20 at first marriage.
Herbert King 21 - stepson, occupation helper
Charles Renny 18 - stepson, a messenger
Douglas Renny 14 - stepson
Mary A King 62, mother-in-law
Alexander King 24, brother-in-law, a painter

Margee

Margee Report 25 Nov 2012 13:50

1930 United States Federal Census
about Frederick J Cain Name: Frederick J Cain
Gender: Male
Birth Year: abt 1872
Birthplace: England
Race: White
Home in 1930: Manhattan, New York, New York
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Marital Status: Married
Immigration Year: 1923
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's Name: Helen Cain
Father's Birthplace: England
Mother's Birthplace: England
Household Members: Name Age
Frederick J Cain 58
Helen Cain 43
Herbert King 21 , stepson
Charles Renny 18 , stepson
Douglas Renny 14 , stepson
Mary A King 62 , mother-in-law
Alexander King 24 , brother-in-law

All born Scotland except Frederick born England.



Andrew

Andrew Report 25 Nov 2012 13:53

1940 United States Federal Census
about Fredinan Cain
Name: Fredinan Cain
Age: 68
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Gender: Male
Race: White
Birthplace: England
Marital Status: Married
Relation to Head of House: Head
Home in 1940: New York, New York, New York
View Map
Street: Second Avenue
Inferred Residence in 1935: New York, New York, New York
Residence in 1935: Same Place
Citizenship: Naturalized
Sheet Number: 11A
Number of Household in Order of Visitation: 234
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Fredinan Cain 68
Helen Cain 54
John Cain 30


Andy

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 25 Nov 2012 13:54

New York, Naturalization Records, 1897-1944

Name: Frederick James Cain
Birth Date: 5 Dec 1874
Birth Place: England - Buckingham
Arrival Year: 1923
Naturalization Record Type: Petition for Naturalization
Event Date: 14 Sep 1923
Spouse's Name: Helen - still living in Scotland

He arrived on the Leviathan 3 September 1923. His last residence in UK was in Scotland.

He was a laborer now living 427 5th Avenue, NY

bob

bob Report 25 Nov 2012 13:55

Blimey, that was quick. Now that's very interesting regarding the Kings in the household, as I think his second wife was Helen King. I can't find what happened to his first wife Elizabeth Pricella something or other. ( I will have to chech FreeBMD for their marriage to see if I can find her maiden name.) Thanks. Bob

Margee

Margee Report 25 Nov 2012 14:01

Alexander King's arrival in USA. He's with mother Mary Ann aged 60. Going to join her daughter Mrs. Ellen Bain?, 1718 2nd. Ave., New york City.

New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about Alexander King Name: Alexander King
Arrival Date: 6 May 1929
Birth Date: abt 1905
Birth Location: Scotland
Birth Location Other: aberdeen
Age: 24
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality: Scottish (Scotish)
Port of Departure: Glasgow, Scotland
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Cameronia
Search Ship Database: Search the Cameronia in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database


MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 25 Nov 2012 14:02

Bob - you'll see where I've added the relationships on the 1930 that I posted that Ellen King must have previously been married to a Mr Renny and it looks like she had her first son (Herbert) before that marriage.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 25 Nov 2012 14:05

Frederick's departure:

Passenger Lists leaving UK 1890-1960 Transcription

First Name:FREDERICK
Last Name:CAIN
Title:
Age Transcribed:48

Departure Year:1923
Departure Month:8
Departure Day:28
Ship Name:LEVIATHAN
Ship Departure Port:SOUTHAMPTON
Destination Port:NEW YORK
State:
Country:USA
Destination Place:NEW YORK
Destination Place Country:USA

Gender:M
Marital Status:
Occupation:LABOURER
Birth Year:1875
UK Address: 55 Gallowgate, Aberdeen

Ship Official Number:
Ship Master's First Name:H
Ship Master's Surname:HARTLEY
Ship Master's Title:CAPT
Shipping line:UNITED STATES LINES
Departure Port:SOUTHAMPTON
Ship Destination Port:NEW YORK
Ship Destination Country:USA
Ship Square Feet:37186
Ship Registered Tonnage:27696

bob

bob Report 25 Nov 2012 14:05

Thank you once again. I have to close down now as I have an urgent appontment with the pub. I will look in again this evening. Bob

Margee

Margee Report 25 Nov 2012 14:11

Helen's arrival in USA. She's with Herbert Jack King, 17 and Douglas Rennie, 9. Relative in Scotland, mother, Mrs Mary Ann King, 48 Upper Denburn, Aberdeen. Going to join husband Frederick Cain, 639 10th. Ave., NY.

New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about Helen Cain Name: Helen Cain
Arrival Date: 1 Jul 1926
Birth Date: abt 1887
Birth Location: Scotland
Birth Location Other: aberdeen
Age: 39
Gender: Female
Ethnicity/ Nationality: Scottish (Scotish)
Port of Departure: Glasgow, Scotland
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Caledonia
Search Ship Database: Search the Caledonia in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database


MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 25 Nov 2012 14:12

Helen's outgoing trip:

Passenger lists leaving UK 1890-1960

Name: Helen CAIN
Date of departure: 23 June 1926
Port of departure: Glasgow
Destination port: New York
Destination country: USA

Date of Birth: 1888 (calculated from age)
Age: 38
Marital Status:
Sex: Female
Occupation: H Wife
Notes:

Ship: CALEDONIA
Official Number: 148878
Master's name: W J Walter
Steamship Line: Anchor
Where bound: New York, USA
Square feet: 3260
Registered tonnage: 10291
Passengers on voyage: 154

Travelling with Herbert King age 16 (a baker) and Douglas Rennie, age 8.

Address 55 Gallowgate, Aberdeen

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 25 Nov 2012 14:30

Helen's eldest son:

New York, Naturalization Records, 1897-1944
Name: Herbert Jack King
Birth Date: 9 Feb 1909
Birth Place: Scotland - Aberdeen
Arrival Year: 1926
Naturalization Record Type: Petition for Naturalization
Event Date: 25 May 1938

He was a clerk, not married, and living 1720 Second Avenue, NY

mgnv

mgnv Report 25 Nov 2012 20:41

FYI - You can search both the 1930 & 1940 US census (plus other stuff) at:
https://familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1®ion=UNITED_STATES

Here's the 1930 hit
"United States Census, 1930," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X42R-342 : accessed 25 Nov 2012), Frederick J Cain, Manhattan (Districts 0501-0750), New York, New York; citing enumeration district (ED) 0743, sheet 15B, family 413, NARA microfilm publication T626, roll 1569.

You can also search 1940 on Ancestry for free right now - both Ancestry & FS presently have free images.

You need a sub for Ancestry's 1930 image, and (unlike 1900/40) it's not free on FS.

Here's the 1930 image - you're best to magnify 4 clicks, then save image.
http://archive.org/stream/newyorkcensus00reel1569#page/n195/mode/1up

bob

bob Report 26 Nov 2012 19:46

Thanks for all your help. I am still uncertain that this is the Frederick James Cain I am looking for. His 1st wife was Elizabeth Pricella Ladd, who was the mother of his children, but I am unable to find a marriage. Their 1st child, also Frederick was born 1904, and they are all shown in the 1911 census in Ealing. I know that the Ealing connection is correct because I have today spoken to his grand-daughter. Bob

Margee

Margee Report 26 Nov 2012 20:07

I can't find the 1911 census to which you refer?

Edit: OK found them:

1911 England Census
about Fredrick James Cain Name: Fredrick James Cain
Age in 1911: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Birth Place: Slough, Buckinghamshire, England
Civil parish: Ealing
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street Address: 7 Hope Road, West Ealing
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 9
Estimated Marriage Year: 1902
Occupation: Labourer
Registration district: Brentford
Registration District Number: 128
Sub-registration district: Brentford
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Household schedule number: 114
Piece: 6885
Household Members: Name Age
Elabeth Constable 50
Charles Constable 18
Fredrick James Cain 40
Elizabeth Pricella Cain 40
Fredrick James Cain 7
Bessie Edith Cain 5
Ada Elen Cain 4
Jim George Cain Under 1 M

The Constable family do not belong with them,
Married 9 years, 4 children all still living.



ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 15 Sep 2013 15:39

A later thread about the same family:

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1331521