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Hello,

I have received the death cert for Nancy as we thought her name was Ann but it still has not helped me find her marriage to Abraham

Regards

Mary

hello,

Sorry Just realized the James Baker i just put on was born 1898 so not the James who married Ellen

Mary :-D :-D

Hello Choccy and Mike

They all seem to be entwined one way or another Mike found Nancy Manwaring in 1851 Now James Baker married Ellen Higgins who was with Nancy in 1851 Abraham Carter was James Bakers Great Granduncle Is it getting any clearer

Mary :-D :-D

Looks like James Baker married Ellen Higgins, who was with Nancy Manwaring on the 1851 census


Marriages Mar 1870 (>99%)
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>>>>BAKER James Dudley 6c 77
>>>>Higgins Ellen Dudley 6c 77
Hinton Emma Dudley 6c 77
LAVENDER John Dudley 6c 77




She was a sister to Thomas Evans, so presumably she was Nancy Evans

1851

RG number: HO107
Piece: 2031
Folio: 387
Page: 16
Reg. District: Sedgley
Sub District: Dudley
Parish: Sedgley
Enum. District: 50
Ecclesiastical District: Sedgley
City/Municipal Borough: Wolverhampton
Address: Cinderhill, Sedgley, Wolverhampton
County: Staffordshire



EVANS, Thomas Head Unmarried M 30 1821 Butcher & Victualer
Sedgley, Staffordshire
>>>>MANWARING, Nancy Sister Widow F 37 1814 House Keeper
Sedgley, Staffordshire
HIGGINS, Ellen F 6 1845
Sedgley, Staffordshire

Thanks Ozibird

I do have Jacob on my tree At the moment I am trying to find Abrahams marriage

Mary :-)

Hello,

Confusing isn't it, I thought Ann/Nancy may have been married before as she was 10 years older than Abraham but still have not found Abraham on 1861 census wil try and check out Nancy Manwaring

Mary

Nancy is a nickname for Ann.


Found this Nancy Manwaring in 1851 but if she married in 1850 ?????


1851
Thomas Evans 30- single - Butcher and Victualer
Nancy Manwaring 37 - widow - Sedgley Staffs
Ellen Higgins 6 - orphan

Now this is interesting; brother of Abraham perhaps.

1861 England Census
Name: Jacob Carter
Age: 47
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1814
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Carter
Gender: Male
Where born: Sedgley, Staffordshire, England
Civil parish: Sedgley
Ecclesiastical parish: Lower Gornal
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street Address: Hinley Rd
Occupation: Coal Miner
Registration district: Dudley
Sub-registration district: Sedgley
Piece: 2048
Folio: 127
Page Number: 16
Household Members: Name Age
Jacob Carter 47
Mary Carter 46
Ann Barber Carter 15 <<<<<<<<<<<<
Elizabeth Carter 13
Thomas Carter 9
Phillip Carter 7
John Carter 6
Mary Janes Carter 3

England, Marriages, 1538–1973
groom's name: John Carter
bride's name: Ann Barber <<<<<<<<<<<<<<
marriage date: 27 Mar 1797
marriage place: Wolverhampton, Stafford, England
indexing project (batch) number: M01653-6

Search Results for Carter,
Event: Birth,
Place: Sedgley,
Event Range: 1800-1830,
Father Name: John Carter, Mother Name: Ann

Joseph Carter christening: 28 Nov 1802 SEDGLEY, STAFFORD, ENGLAND
William Carter christening: 03 Feb 1805 SEDGLEY, STAFFORD, ENGLAND
Phebe Carter christening: 19 May 1807 SEDGLEY, STAFFORD, ENGLAND
Evan Carter christening: 02 Oct 1808 SEDGLEY, STAFFORD, ENGLAND
George Carter christening: 29 Apr 1810 SEDGLEY, STAFFORD, ENGLAND
Jacob Carter christening: 04 Sep 1814 SEDGLEY, STAFFORD, ENGLAND
Mary Carter christening: 30 Jun 1816 SEDGLEY, STAFFORD, ENGLAND
death: 04 Oct 1816
Maria Carter christening: 21 Sep 1817 SEDGLEY, STAFFORD, ENGLAND
Abram Carter christening: 25 Feb 1821 SEDGLEY, STAFFORD, ENGLAND

1871 England Census
Name: John Baker
Age: 41
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas Baker
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Baker
Gender: Male
Where born: Staffordshire, England
Civil parish: Sedgley
Ecclesiastical parish: Coseley
Town: Coseley
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street Address: 17 Darkhouse Lane
Occupation: Moulder
Registration district: Dudley
Sub-registration district: Sedgley
Piece: 3006
Folio: 97
Page Number: 10
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Baker 65 - Licensed Victualler
Elizabeth Baker 50
John Baker 41
Abraham Tom Baker 10 (John Baker on image with the Abraham crossed out. It looks like the enumerator made a mistake and corrected it.)
Abraham Goode 53
Selina Selvester 15


Marriages Jun 1860
Baker Thomas Dudley 6c 76 <<<<<<<<<<<<
Goode Elizabeth Dudley 6c 76 <<<<<<<<<<<<
Gregory Percival Dudley 6c 76
TOTNEY Rebecca Dudley 6c 76


????Deaths Jun 1858 Baker Phoebe Dudley 6c 45


1851 England Census
Name: John Baker
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas Baker
Mother's Name: Phebe Baker
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Kingswinford, Staffordshire, England
Civil parish: Sedgley
Ecclesiastical parish: Coseley
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street Address: Darkhouse Lane
Occupation: Moulder
Registration district: Dudley
Sub-registration district: Sedgley
Piece: 2031
Folio: 131
Page Number: 14
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Baker 46 - Beer Seller; born Kingswinford, Staffordshire
Phebe Baker 44 - born Sedgley, Staffordshire
William Henry Baker 22
John Baker 20
Eliza Baker 19
Elizabeth Baker 15
Margret Baker 12
Deborah Baker 7
Sophia Hurst 22 - Servant
Wm Carter 31 - Lodger

Here's the link:
"England, Marriages, 1538–1973 "
groom's name: Thomas Baker
bride's name: Phebe Carter
marriage date: 23 Sep 1827
marriage place: Wombourn, Stafford, England
indexing project (batch) number: I03904-5



?????
"England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975"
name: Phebe Carter
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 19 May 1807
baptism/christening place: SEDGLEY,STAFFORD,ENGLAND
father's name: John Carter
mother's name: Anne
indexing project (batch) number: K00998-6

"England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975"
name: Abram Carter
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 25 Feb 1821
baptism/christening place: Sedgley, Stafford, England
father's name: John Carter
mother's name: Ann
indexing project (batch) number: C02104-3

getting a copy of a will is quite easy but be prepared to wait a while for it.

Jonesey has kindly put a whole thread on how to do it. This is the link

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1235425

Hello,

My Abraham was born and died in Sedgley so must be a different family but odd if they also have Bakers will have to take a look

Regards

mary

I thought that I had posted earlier today, apologising for letting my excitement in "finding the marriage" get in the way of checking out the facts before I posted.

Sorry to be misleading, as you say, Abraham married Jane in Dudley.



Since my previous (lost) post I have looked on A---ry to see if anyone has got Abraham and Hannah on a tree there.

Well, someone has got an Abraham born c1823 married to a Hannah Haslett.

Again I thought ... "this could be them!" However, there are many differences,

Their Abraham was not born in Staffs, but was living there (not not in Sedgley) in 1861 Census with his wife Hannah. He was a Cordwainer. The couple had children.

This Hannah was about the same age as Abraham, not ten years older!
These two rather major differences seem to make it obvious that it is a different couple.

HOWEVER, the woman who has them in her tree has called it the BAKER tree!

She does not have a record of the couple in 1871 or 1881 Census, but seems to think that they moved to Australia.

Abraham Carter married Hannah Haslett in 1844.

PS Now I'm hoping that the name of her tree was Baker, not BARKER.

I think that I need to get some sleep.

Sorry if I have confused anyone. :-(

1871 England Census
Name: John Baker
Age: 41
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas Baker
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Baker
Gender: Male
Where born: Staffordshire, England
Civil parish: Sedgley
Ecclesiastical parish: Coseley
Town: Coseley
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Dudley
Sub-registration district: Sedgley
Piece: 3006
Folio: 97
Page Number: 10
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Baker 65
Elizabeth Baker 50 - born Warwickshire
John Baker 41
Abraham Tom Baker 10 (John Baker on image with the Abraham crossed out. It looks like the enumerator made a mistake and corrected it.)
Abraham Goode 53 - lodger; carpenter; born Warwickshire.
Selina Selvester 15 - servant

I cannot find a marriage for Abraham and Nancy/Ann I 'm wondering if maybe they where not married although on census and death cert it says wife,
Abraham was single on 1851 census age 30 I still cannot find him on the 1861 but could it be that Nancy was married before as she was 10 years older than Abraham I know it's no help as I have no maiden name for her but just a thought

Mary :-)

Hello lancashireAnn,

How and where do I get a copy of the will never had one

Mary :-)

It could be worthwhile applying for a copy of the will. John Baker was named as 'one of the executors'. Who was the other. Who else was named in the will?

The copy would tell you this and if you are lucky would give some ideas of family relationships. Sometimes they are disappointing but at others they contain a wealth of useful information.

I have one will which names all the people, including a brother, who lived in his small area.

Hello,

The only will info I have is what choccy found, but on the 1881 Census Abraham and Nancy where living with James Baker and his family

Mary

have you got a copy of the actual will. It may give some clue other than what is on the probate record

sorry but in 1866 Abraham married Jane, Hannah married George

West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1866
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
CONNAH Hannah SKIDMORE George Dudley, St Thomas Dudley Register Office 204/025/58

West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1866
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
CARTER Abraham BAGLEY Jane Dudley, St Thomas Dudley Register Office 204/025/57