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WAR Memorial, Dollar, Clackmannanshire, Scotland

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Penpal

Penpal Report 12 Dec 2012 02:44

Thank you Barbara! I've PMd you.
And thanks a heap to Barry who alerted us to Steven Campbell's tree on Ancestry.com.

BarbaraFromYorkshire

BarbaraFromYorkshire Report 10 Dec 2012 01:53

Maybe Mary Campbell b c1885 in 1891 census with grandparents John and Janet Campbell



1891 Scotland Census 1891 Scotland Census
Name: Mary Campbell
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886
Relationship: Granddaur (Granddaughter)
Gender: Female
Where born: Dollar, Stirling
Registration number: 361
Registration district: Killin
Civil parish: Killin
County: Perthshire
Address: Monomore
ED: 4
Household schedule number: 41
Line: 11
Roll: CSSCT1891_112

Household Members: Name Age
John Campbell 72
Janet Campbell 60
Grace Campbell 21
Mary Campbell 5
Duncan McDiarmid 4


Source Citation: Parish: Killin; ED: 4; Page: 10; Line: 11; Roll: CSSCT1891_112.


BarbaraFromYorkshire

BarbaraFromYorkshire Report 9 Dec 2012 20:34

Hi Penpal

I have just sent you James first marriage cert., in an e-mail and just found Elizabeth's Death cert--so will send you that as well.

I will PM you on here with news of the Ancestry tree that Barry so kindley found.

Barbara x

Penpal

Penpal Report 9 Dec 2012 05:23

Thankyou again, Barbara.
Our emails have been crossing in the wires. Yes, I thought there might be some stepchildren, once I saw James Campbell's wedding registration. Brave girl, only 22, taking on 4 children and an older man. I'll bet they were pleased to see some testosterone with the seventh child! But then to lose the first and possibly the second son to the war - dreadful. Maybe that's why little Duncan didn't live long: poor Isabella and James would be grief-stricken - though every family would be the same. What terrible times, and then for it all to happen again in 1938. Madness.
I didn't see Mary (1885?) on the 1891 census above.
It's so easy to get the wrong family. If we hadn't known that James remarried, I'd have thought this US 1900 census entry was him and Elizabeth having emigrated in 1899 after the first two girls were married. The dates were so close. I do like the way the US census shows how many years they've been married, and gives their month of birth too. Despite that, the ages they put on that particular print out are different from the ones on the actual image. 47 is given as 48 and 49 is given as 50, though the girls' ages, 16 and 13, aren't changed:

https://familysearch.org/pal:MM9.1.1/M2Q2-CWC

The 1881 census used to be so easy and a joy to search on LDS, but it's gone now. It seems they've sold it all off to the private genealogy sites. Maybe they couldn't cope with the muddle of submitted trees. But is it any less risky? The transcriptions are incredibly creative, and not only in spelling. I have a printed list of trees on Ancestry.com each claiming my most distant ancestor on my mother's side, yet giving him a variety of wives!

The anniversary of Elizabeth's death was just a few days ago. I wonder whether she died in childbirth but Mary survived?

Now I see where the name Angus comes from. My grandfather (1877) and my father (1908) were both Angus, and my nephew is Innes -- though my brother will be surprised to see an earlier Innes in the family.
Does the Ancestry tree give wedding details for James's first wedding, so we might know whether Isabella's father, Peter Robertson (wife Isabella Gray, nee Cameron), and Elizabeth Campbell's mother, Margaret Robertson, are siblings?

Kind regards
:-)

BarbaraFromYorkshire

BarbaraFromYorkshire Report 7 Dec 2012 22:18

Hi Penpal

Yes James CAMPBELL had been married twice --first in 31/12/ 1879 to Elizabeth Campbell (maiden name AND married surname)
(Elizabeths parents were John Campbell born c1811 and Margaret ROBERTSON born c1816)

On the tree on Ancestry --but I haven't done a search on SP to make sure --so needs verifying

James and his first wife Elizabeth had


Margaret Robertson CAMPBELL---1880 --1957

Jemima Janet CAMPBELL 1882 -

Elizabeth Catherine CAMPBELL--1884 --1860

Mary CAMPBELL--1885 -1950


James' wife Elizabeth died on 28 February 1886 age 30 years

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and then on 7/12/1886 James married Isabella (I sent you this marriage from SP and it does say on it that James was a Widower.)



Again from the ancestry tree it say James and Isabella had



Isabella Gray CAMPBELL- 1888---1966

Kate CAMPBELL --1890--

Annie Robertson CAMPBELL---1893--1977

John Ian CAMPBELL---1896---1916

James CAMPBELL --1899---

Duncan Robertson CAMPBELL 1901---1907

Angus Innes CAMPBELL 1903---1980

Helen Armour CAMPBELL---1905---- 1995


So James' first four children (according to the Ancestry tree) would have been Isabella's stepchildren.

Hope that clears that one up :-)

Best wishes
Barbara x

Penpal

Penpal Report 7 Dec 2012 17:32

Yes, thanks very much, Barbara, all received. Fantastic!
Just wondering about the Isabella-James Cameron match above. They are supposed to have been married 7/12/1886 in Dollar (someone told me), but according to the 1891 census, her eldest child is 10 and the next one 9. I'll leave that puzzle for a while. Bit of a busy time coming up this week so I'll get back to you a.s.a.p. Thanks again.

BarbaraFromYorkshire

BarbaraFromYorkshire Report 3 Dec 2012 23:56

Thats OK, Penpal , you are welcome to anything i can find, I was just hoping they had got to you Ok.

Barbara x

Penpal

Penpal Report 3 Dec 2012 17:02

Dear Barbara,
Sorry - I've been busy and not concentrating. I think I have some of those, and have thanked you, but will take a look again a.s.a.p. Meanwhile, before you go to any more expense on my behalf (you are incredibly helfpful) I do have quite a few entries already so hang fire until I can see where the gaps are.
Very best regards.

BarbaraFromYorkshire

BarbaraFromYorkshire Report 2 Dec 2012 17:25

Hi Penpal,
Have you received all my e-mails to you with all the attatchments of certs ?

Angus and Jessie --Marriage cert

Angus birth 1908(the son of the above)

Sent 1st December

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Peter and Isabella marriage 1861

and their first born James McDonald Robertson birth 1862

Sent on 29th November
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and Peter Robertson Saunders birth cert (son of of Margaret Robertson and George Saunders

Sent on 28th November

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I think you received the

Margarets Marriage cert
Isabella Marriage cert
Annie’s Marriage cert
and god bless her Jessie Jane’s Death. cert

But I'm not sure if you received the others --all through your personal e-mail

Kind Regards and best wishes
Barbara x

Penpal

Penpal Report 2 Dec 2012 07:53

Thank you, Barbara! I was beginning to think it was all my fault. It would be lovely to find recent descendents. I am compiling a list of certificates to apply for as being really the best way, but it is expensive, so I do thank you too, Barry, for trying so hard to set the direction for me.

BarbaraFromYorkshire

BarbaraFromYorkshire Report 1 Dec 2012 16:55

Hi Barry
The link to Ancestry worked for me because I am a member of Ancestry,

The link to Mundia didn't work for me ---I have tried for 10 minutes to "log in" both with my Ancestry account (as it says you can) and with my Facebook account (as it says you can) however it just keeps telling me that " this e-mail is already registered -Please use another !!!! :-0

The tree on Ancestry does have some of the family on for PenPal, but not all. ie the siblings of Isabella and Margaret haven't got spouces etc. I think the tree owner may be a descendant of Isabella (nee Robertson) and James Campbell---but not sure of course.

I do take a look on Ancestry trees --but never copy anything without doing proper research myself, (someone on Ancestry had my Grandmother married to her son and her sons wife married to my grandmothers first husband !!! It took a while to straighten that one out ---but with the certs etc that I had the owner was very pleased I had contacted him to make at least that part of his family tree right lol !!! )

Best wishes
Barbara x :-)

Barry

Barry Report 1 Dec 2012 11:58

Penpal
I am trying to help you by ,
firstly, via my Ancestry subscription giving you access to a family tree by way of link to click on to which I think will be helpful to you
Why you are getting a subscription page I don't know - It worked OK for Barbara (above posting)
Because it wasn't working for you I supplied you with an alternative free route to the Ancestry trees (Mundia)
All you have to do is register - no charge -and it is not a condition that you must start a tree with them
Hope this clarifies - give it another go
regards Barry

BarbaraFromYorkshire

BarbaraFromYorkshire Report 1 Dec 2012 04:20

Hi Penpal,
The links are to a tree on Ancestry ---good find Barry, It wasn't coming up on the "hints" for me on Ancestry ---

I will e-mail you Penpal.



Barbara x

Penpal

Penpal Report 1 Dec 2012 01:33

Barry, thanks again, but what exactly is it that you're trying to help me find? That Mundia link again asks me to sign up as a member and start a tree. Links to pages that have required a membership and password to access generally just revert to the 'join up' invitation. I'm trying to travel light, genealogically speaking.

Barry

Barry Report 30 Nov 2012 10:01


Penpal
I can't understand why you are getting that page - here is an alternative route which is free

https://www.mundia.com/gb

Penpal

Penpal Report 30 Nov 2012 00:13

Yes, thanks, Barbara. Have replied to your private email.

Barry - Thanks so much for the lead -- I do appreciate it, but the link is to a 'please sign up and pay' ad from Ancestry.com. If GR crashes I'll have to do it, but at the moment, with reluctance, I am living up to my Scottish/Yorkshire heritage!

BarbaraFromYorkshire

BarbaraFromYorkshire Report 27 Nov 2012 19:32

Hi Penpal

Did you receive the e-mail, and attachments OK yesterday ?

Barbara x

Barry

Barry Report 26 Nov 2012 16:12

This link to an Ancestry tree maybe the one you are looking for

http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/tree/26523545/person/1859501624

BarbaraFromYorkshire

BarbaraFromYorkshire Report 26 Nov 2012 15:55

Hi
Just sent the images to you, Hope you can open them OK , if not let me know and I will try another way to save and send them if you can't open them

Barbara x

Penpal

Penpal Report 26 Nov 2012 14:20

Thank you very much, Barbara and Chris!
I have replied to you, Barbara, with my personal email, from my Messages. You're right, the attachments didn't come through.

Funny that I found a Peter Robertson Saunders on the memorial today, just by accident. I had since been looking for a marriage of Margaret and a George Saunders, just in case, because Peter Robertson was Margaret's father. I didn't find it with Family Search, but had better luck with you. Lots of serendipity.

Chris, thanks for the list on FMP. The lads in our family all went to the Academy at that time, so their sons might also have gone there. There are very few Robertsons on the list, but some would have other surnames, whom I've yet to find.
Way to go! Thanks again.