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Alan Patrick
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26 Nov 2012 11:24 |
I am trying to find parents of George Clarke born about 1818 Wortwell, Norfolk. I have found him on 1851 Census married to a Mary born 1819 but so far have not been able to get far enough back to find his parents. Any help would be appreciated.
Alan
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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26 Nov 2012 11:30 |
have you tried Family Search site
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26 Nov 2012 11:32 |
Are you sure he married Mary and not Amy?
Marriages Dec 1842 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- CLARKE George Depwade 13 85 Grimmer Martha Depwade 13 85 Grimmer Thomas Depwade 13 85 HOWELL Amy Depwade 13 85
If this is him the certificate should have his fathers name
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26 Nov 2012 11:37 |
Is this them on the 1851??
Name: George Clark Age: 37 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1814 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Mary Clark [Amy Clark] Gender: M (Male) Where born: St Faiths Newton, Norfolk, England Civil parish: Thorpe Market County/Island: Norfolk Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability:
View image Registration district: Erpingham Sub-registration district: North Walsham ED, institution, or vessel: 4c Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 1 Piece: 1809 Folio: 126 Page Number: 5 Household Members: Name Age George Clark 37 Mary Clark 34 George T Clark 9 Matthew Clark 8 Henry B Clark 5 Mary S Clark 4 Amy Clark 2 Frank Clark 3 Mo Amy Clark 72 widow annuitant ____________ MUM ??? Elizabeth Brewer 21 Mary A Ellis 22 Mary Dix 12 Emma Chadwick 17 William Witwood 17 V Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1809; Folio: 126; Page: 5; GSU roll: 207461-207462.
going on the age of the eldest child they may have married after 1837 . have you looked for a marriage for them . the cert should name his father.
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Adeline
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26 Nov 2012 11:38 |
Is this George in 1851 with wife Amy? This matches the couple in the marriage above:
Name: George Clarke Age: 33 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1818 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Amy Clarke Gender: M (Male) Where born: Wortwell, Norfolk, England Civil parish: Alburgh County/Island: Norfolk Country: England Registration district: Depwade Sub-registration district: Harleston ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 37 Piece: 1821 Folio: 55 Page Number: 13 Household Members: Name Age George Clarke 33 Amy Clarke 32 Mary Ann Clarke 8 John Clarke 6 Emma Clarke 1
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26 Nov 2012 11:42 |
The one Adeline posted looks more like the right George. :-D
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Dea
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26 Nov 2012 11:53 |
I was thinking that this was the 1851 George?? - It is the same as Adeline's one but wife shown as Mary on FMP. (It does seem to be Amy on the image)
CLARKE, George Head Married M 33 1818 Ag Lab Wortwell, Norfolk CLARKE, Mary Wife Married F 32 1819 Wokefield, Suffolk CLARKE, Mary Ann Daughter F 8 1843 Scholar Alburgh, Norfolk CLARKE, John Son M 6 1845 Scholar Alburgh, Norfolk CLARKE, Emma Daughter F 1 1850 Alburgh, Norfolk
Piece: 1821 Folio: 55 Page: 13 Registration District: Depwade Civil Parish: Alburgh Municipal Borough: Address: Alburgh County: Norfolk
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26 Nov 2012 11:55 |
Could this be the same George in 1861 with wife Mary?
I've had another look at the 1851 image and I can see why Ancestry thought it was Amy and not Mary
Name: George Clark Age: 45 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Mary Clark Gender: Male Where born: Harleston, Norfolk, England Civil parish: Starston County/Island: Norfolk Country: England Registration district: Depwade Sub-registration district: Harleston ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 86 Piece: 1231 Folio: 122 Page Number: 15 Household Members: Name Age George Clark 45 Mary Clark 44 George Clark 17 Thomas Clark 14 John Clark 12
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Adeline
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26 Nov 2012 12:05 |
Another possibly more likely marriage:
Name: CLARKE, George Registration district: Depwade County: Norfolk Year of registration: 1841 Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec Spouse's last name Not available before 1912 Volume no: 13 Page no: 131
>>>>>>>>YOUELL, Mary BALLARD, Harriet BARBER, Mary Ann WELTON, Sarah Ann WHITE, Walter ROXBY, Isaac
This certificate would give George's father's name.
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26 Nov 2012 12:11 |
George Clarke England and Wales Census, 1851 birth: Wortwell,? Norfolk census: 1851 England name: George Clarke age: 33 gender: M birthplace: Wortwell, Norfolk relationship to head of household: Head record type: Household
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Adeline
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26 Nov 2012 12:18 |
Alan has sent me this message:
This is the one I have, 1851 Census on Genes but have tried other sites and not got very far. I have his wife as Mary and children are the same as you have found. Just wish I could find his parents but cant seem to get that far back.
Alan, just click on Add Reply just above your original message and you can respond on this thread .
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Chris Ho :)
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26 Nov 2012 12:40 |
Marriage
County Norfolk Place Alburgh Church All Saints RegisterNumber 25 MarriageDate 13 Nov 1842 GroomForename George GroomSurname CLARKE GroomAge GroomParish GroomCondition Bachelor GroomOccupation Labourer GroomAbode Alburgh BrideForename Amy BrideSurname HOW* BrideAge BrideParish BrideCondition Spinster BrideOccupation BrideAbode Alburgh GroomFatherForename Henry GroomFatherSurname CLARKE GroomFatherOccupation Labourer BrideFatherForename *rick BrideFatherSurname HOW* BrideFatherOccupation Labourer WitnessOneForename Maria WitnessOneSurname CLARKE WitnessTwoForename Samuel WitnessTwoSurname SMITH Notes Bride And Groom Of Full Age; Both And Witness 1 Signed With Their Mark; Brides Surname Could Be Howell; FileNumber 15848
(above from below link, can be handy, Norfolk)
http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl
Chris :)
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Chris Ho :)
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26 Nov 2012 13:15 |
County Norfolk Place Starston Church St Margaret RegisterNumber 380 DateOfBirth BaptismDate 12 Mar 1843 Forename Jane Sex F FatherForename George MotherForename Mary FatherSurname CLARKE MotherSurname YOUELL Abode Redenhall FatherOccupation Labourer FileNumber 8289
(also on above link, plus others)
Chris :)
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Dea
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26 Nov 2012 13:45 |
I beleive the 1851 we have been looking at should certainly say 'AMY'.
This looks like their daughter Emma's christening?
Emma Clarke
England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 christening: 30 Sep 1849 Alburgh,? Norfolk,? England residence: Alburgh,? Norfolk,? England parents: George Clarke,? Amy name: Emma Clarke gender: Female baptism/christening date: 30 Sep 1849 baptism/christening place: Alburgh, Norfolk, England father's name: George Clarke mother's name: Amy indexing project (batch) number: I07397-0 system origin: England-EASy source film number: 1657158
SO, if that is the family Alan is following, then we should be looking for a marriage to 'Amy' which I think has already been posted above?
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Dea x
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Alan Patrick
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26 Nov 2012 13:46 |
So many people helping. There are so many George Clarkes in Norfolk a lot of them dont have the family which I've got. Genes Reunited 1851 Census gives George Clarke as Head born 1818 Wortwell, Norfolk, Ag. Labourer. Mary born 1819 Wokefield, Suffolk. Child Mary born 1843 Alburgh, Norfolk. John born 1845 Alburgh Norfolk and Emma born 1850 Alburgh, Norfolk. I have tried looking up Mary's maiden name and come up with Barber, Youell, Barham. Did find in 1841 George living at Starston with a family named Youell and wondered if he had got together with a daughter, I believe there was a Mary but age seemed terribly wrong. Marriage date possibly 1841 Starston. I find this all quite confusing.
Alan
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26 Nov 2012 13:55 |
This would be Amy's christening ?
If you look again at the 1851 image the name is certainly Amy and her place of birth to me looks like Homersfield, Suffolk?
England & Wales Christening Records, 1530-1906 about Amy Howell Name: Amy Howell Gender: Female Christening Date: 28 Jan 1821 Christening Place: Homersfield, Suffolk, England Father's Name: Shadrach Howell Mother's Name: Sarah
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26 Nov 2012 14:09 |
If you are convinced that you have the correct family on the 1851 then I believe the wife was Amy, not Mary !!
How have you woorked your way back to them please?
Dea x
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Chris Ho :)
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26 Nov 2012 14:12 |
Burials
County Norfolk Place Alburgh Church All Saints RegisterNumber 412 BurialDate 14 Aug 1855 Forename Amy Relationship Rel1MaleForename Rel1FemaleForename Rel1Surname Surname CLARKE Age 34y
County Norfolk Place Alburgh Church All Saints RegisterNumber 395 BurialDate 17 Jun 1853 Forename George Relationship Rel1MaleForename Rel1FemaleForename Rel1Surname Surname CLARKE Age 35y
Chris :)
(again from below link, free to use Alan, have a look at childrens Baptisms too)
http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl
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Dea
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26 Nov 2012 14:28 |
That's why I couldn't find them in 1851 !!!
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Alan Patrick
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27 Nov 2012 11:17 |
Hi All, Thanks for all the info. Chris if you are right about their burials they both died when Emma was about 3or 4.
Dea, you asked how I worked back to them well, here goes - Frederick Clarke b1904 Starston, Norfolk and Maud Bloomfield 1912 Hartismere, Suffolk,( my parents), then Stephen Clarke b 1871 Wortwell, Norfolk and Annie Love b 1867 Woolwich, London, then John Clarke b 1849 Alburgh Norfolk and Pamela, maiden name possibly Gower, b 1850 Denton, Norfolk, then George Clarke b 1818 Wortwell, Norfolk and Mary b 1819 Wokefield, Suffolk. The message you sent at 11.53 the details are exactly the same as I have.
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