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This lady is causing my quite a headache !!

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Margaret

Margaret Report 28 Nov 2012 14:32

On 1911 Census I have Tegwen Reeves age 3 mths b. Cilfynydd, living with her parents Thomas Reeves 28 (b. Blaina, Monmouthshire) and mother Elizabeth Jane (b. Neath, Glamorgan) 21 at Oaklands Terrace, Cilfynydd, Pontypridd. Thomas and Elizabeth Jane were married 1909 regd. Pontypridd and Elizabeth is given as Elizabeth Jane Haynes. I have tried to find Elizabeth Jane on the 1901 census in order to establish her parents but it is a thankless task. I have used the year of birth as 1890 and the place Neath but cannot see her and there are more variations of the name Haynes that I have no idea where to go from here. Having very little knowledge of the towns/villages in Wales makes it more difficult. Any ideas anyone ? Thanks.

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 28 Nov 2012 14:39

Posting this just in case.......

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1901 Wales Census
about Elizabeth J Hynes
Name: Elizabeth J Hynes
Age in 1901: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1891
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Fred Hynes
Mother's Name: Annie Hynes
Gender: Female
Where born: Neath, Glamorgan, Wales

Civil parish: Ystradyfodwg
Ecclesiastical parish: Cwmparc St George
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales

Street Address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image

Registration district: Pontypridd
Sub-registration district: Ystradyfodwg
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 209
Piece: 5013
Folio: 24
Page Number: 40
Household Members: Name Age
Fred Hynes 30
Annie Hynes 28
Elizabeth J Hynes 10
Fred Hynes 4
Philip J Hynes 4 Months
Henry Edwards 29


It does read "Hynes" on the image.


alviegal

alviegal Report 28 Nov 2012 14:40

For ref.

1911 census transcription details for: 40 Oakland Terrace Cilfynydd Pontypridd
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National Archive Reference:

RG14PN32217 RG78PN1850 RD589 SD1 ED7 SN116
Reg. District: Pontypridd
Sub District: Eglwysilan
Parish: Pontypridd
Enum. District: 7
Address: 40 Oakland Terrace Cilfynydd Pontypridd
County: Glamorganshire
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
REEVES, Thomas Head Married M 28 1883 Udnerground Haulie Monmouth Blaina
REEVES, Elizabeth Jane Wife Married
2 years F 21 1890 Glamorgan Neath
REEVES, Tegwen Daughter F 0 (3 MONTHS) 1911 Glamorgan Cilfynydd

alviegal

alviegal Report 28 Nov 2012 14:45

1901 found by PricklyHolly. Looks pretty good but, as always, the Marriage certificate would be the best thing to get.

1901 census transcription details for: 14, River Row, Ystradyfodwg
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13
Piece: 5013
Folio: 24
Page: 40
Reg. District: Pontypridd
Sub District: Ystradyfodwg
Parish: Ystradyfodwg
Enum. District: 9
Ecclesiastical District: Cwmpark St George
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 14, River Row, Ystradyfodwg
County: Glamorganshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
HYNES, Fred Head Married M 30 1871 Coal Miner Hitcher (Below)
Carnarvon, Carnarvonshire
HYNES, Annie Wife Married F 28 1873
Llanelly, Carmarthenshire
HYNES, Elizabeth J Daughter F 10 1891
Neath, Glamorganshire
HYNES, Fred Son M 4 1897
Treorcky, Glamorganshire
HYNES, Philip J Son M 0 (4 MOS) 1901
Treorcky, Glamorganshire
EDWARDS, Henry Lodger Single M 29 1872 Coal Miner Hewer
Merthyr, Glamorganshire

Reggie

Reggie Report 28 Nov 2012 14:46

Her father........if she knew him.....will be named on the marriage cert

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 28 Nov 2012 14:48

Are there no details of father on her marriage cert?
Jan

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 28 Nov 2012 14:48

?

Births Jun 1892 (>99%)
Haynes Elizabeth Jane Neath 11a 828

Margee

Margee Report 28 Nov 2012 14:48

Births Jun 1892 (>99%)
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Haynes Elizabeth Jane Neath 11a 828

Margaret

Margaret Report 28 Nov 2012 14:49

I did come across that one Prickly Holly but was unsure about it once I saw how clearly Hynes was written on the original document. This is driving me mad !!

Margaret

Margaret Report 28 Nov 2012 14:52

Ah - perhaps I should now start trying for an Elizabeth Jane Haynes with a birth year of 1892 and not 1890. She must have told a 'porkie' on the census return. I'll give it a go. Thank you.

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 28 Nov 2012 14:53

But why is it driving you mad? If you don't already have it you can get her marriage cert.
Jan

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 28 Nov 2012 14:54

Strugging to find that family as Hynes or Haynes in the 1911.

I have to do the school run so will pop back later.

Gins

Gins Report 28 Nov 2012 14:56

There is no birth for an Eliz* J Hynes

If you are still unsure, buy the marriage cert - always best to do this anyway

Margaret

Margaret Report 28 Nov 2012 14:56

Yes Brummiejan - I will have to send for the marriage cert. Why it is driving me mad is because each time I embark on a line - or twiglet - I seem invariably to have to end up buying umpteen certificates. Just for once I wish I could just have a line which goes smoothly and slots into place. It would make a pleasant change but then again most of us I know have to end up getting certs just to establish one single name. Thank you everyone for your help.

alviegal

alviegal Report 28 Nov 2012 14:57

??



England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915 about Frederick Haynes
Name: Frederick Haynes
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1891
Registration district: Pontypridd
Inferred County: Glamorgan
Volume Number: 11a
Page Number: 645
Spouse: Ann Gowman

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 28 Nov 2012 14:59

Well, the Elizabeth J. Haynes birth i put above is almost certainly her wouldn't you say?
Jan

alviegal

alviegal Report 28 Nov 2012 15:04


1881 census transcription details for: 8, Savours Court, Neath
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG11
Piece: 5341
Folio: 24
Page: 16
Reg. District: Neath
Sub District: Neath
Parish: Neath
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 8, Savours Court, Neath
County: Glamorganshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
GOWMAN, John Head Married M 35 1846 Laborer In Colliery
Northam, Devon
GOWMAN, Jane Wife Married F 35 1846 Laborers Wife
Neath, Glamorganshire, Wales
GOWMAN, Eliza Daughter Single F 13 1868 Scholar
Neath, Glamorganshire, Wales
GOWMAN, William Son Single M 11 1870 Scholar
Neath, Glamorganshire, Wales
>>GOWMAN, Ann Daughter Single F 9 1872 Scholar
>>Llanelly, Carmarthenshire, Wales
GOWMAN, Thomas Son Single M 7 1874 Scholar
Neath, Glamorganshire, Wales
GOWMAN, Josiah Son Single M 4 1877 Scholar
Neath, Glamorganshire, Wales
GOWMAN, Jane Daughter Single F 1 1880 Laborers Daur
Neath, Glamorganshire, Wales



1891 census transcription details for: 2, Cornish Court, Neath
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG12
Piece: 4462
Folio: 161
Page: 13
Reg. District: Neath
Sub District: Neath
Parish: Neath
Enum. District: 24
Ecclesiastical District: Neath
City/Municipal Borough: Neath
Address: 2, Cornish Court, Neath
County: Glamorganshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
GOWMAN, John Head Married M 44 1847 Labourer In Shipyard
Neath, Glamorganshire
GOWMAN, Jane Wife Married F 44 1847
Neath, Glamorganshire
GOWMAN, Josiah Son M 15 1876
Neath, Glamorganshire
GOWMAN, Jane Daughter F 13 1878
Neath, Glamorganshire
GOWMAN, John Son M 7 1884
Neath, Glamorganshire
GOWMAN, Mary Daughter F 4 1887
Neath, Glamorganshire
GOWMAN, William Son Single M 22 1869 Coal Miner
Neath, Glamorganshire
>>GOWMAN, Ann Daughter Single F 20 1871 General Servant Domestic
Neath, Glamorganshire

Margaret

Margaret Report 28 Nov 2012 15:06

Have looked for the 'Hynes' family with Fred as head and daughter Elizabeth J. Found the family on 1911 census - spelt Haines - and daughter Elizabeth J is aged 20 and still at home whereas my Elizabeth Jane Haynes is already married to Thomas Reeves with a baby daughter. Back to the drawing board !!! Thanks again everyone.

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 28 Nov 2012 15:10

Oh dear - nothing for it but the marriage cert then. I agree it's very annoying when you have a fairly distinctive name to look for - she might at least have the grace to be easy to find!
Jan

Margaret

Margaret Report 28 Nov 2012 15:23

Thanks Brummiejan - calling it a day now (well an afternoon anyway) - must go and think about what the evening meal is going to be !!