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Luciacw
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28 Nov 2012 15:50 |
Hi all,
Looking for information on ancestor. Thomas Fensom was born in Pepperstock (or Flamstead) Herts circa 1803. He married Maria Butterfield in 1829. Have managed to trace Maria's parentage but not Thomas's. I cannot seem to find a relevant christening record which fits or any other clues. I have him on all censuses. I think there is some variation in when his birth recorded with one record saying 1811.
Thomas had a daughter called Sarah (born c1834) who had illegitimate children - two twin boys called Charles and Frederick born 21 Nov 1852 in Flamstead. I have found them both in 1881 but don't have them on earlier census though I believe that they are listed as "nephew" on the 1861 census (haven't seen the full household record). Haven't had any luck finding out what happened to Sarah after 1861. If anyone could help, that'd be great.
Thanks - Lucia :-)
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ErikaH
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28 Nov 2012 15:54 |
Very few early Herts Parish Records on Ancestry
Have you tried the County Records Office?
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ErikaH
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28 Nov 2012 15:56 |
Presumably, the census which records his birth as c1811 is that for 1841...........ages of over-15's were rounded down to nearest '5'
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28 Nov 2012 15:57 |
Could this be Sarah?
Civil Registration event: Marriage Print Close Name: FENSOM, Sarah Registration district: Luton County: Bedfordshire Year of registration: 1855 Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912 Volume no: 3B Page no: 684
MarriageFinder: Sarah Fensom married one of the following people:
>> FENSOM, William
ODELL, John
LUCK, Emma
1871 census transcription details for: High Town Road Rose Cottage, Luton Print Close
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG10 Piece: 1573 Folio: 42 Page: 24 Reg. District: Luton Sub District: Luton Parish: Luton Enum. District: 22 Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Address: High Town Road Rose Cottage, Luton County: Bedfordshire Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born FENSOM, William Head M 39 1832 Bedfordshire FENSOM, Sarah Wife F 37 1834 Hertfordshire FENSOM, Jane Daughter F 16 1855 Hertfordshire FENSOM, Sarah A Daughter F 13 1858 Bedfordshire FENSOM, Samuel Son M 11 1860 Bedfordshire FENSOM, George Son M 9 1862 Hertfordshire FENSOM, Edward Son M 6 1865 Hertfordshire FENSOM, John Son M 0 1871 Bedfordshire
1881 census transcription details for: 86, Hitchin Road, Luton Print Close
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG11 Piece: 1650 Folio: 87 Page: 9 Reg. District: Luton Sub District: Luton Parish: Luton Enum. District: Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Address: 86, Hitchin Road, Luton County: Bedfordshire Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born FENSOM, William Head Married M 49 1832 Labourer Aley Green, Bedfordshire FENSOM, Sarah Wife Married F 47 1834 Pepperstock, Hertfordshire FENSOM, Jane Daughter Single F 25 1856 Straw Plait Machinist Pepperstock, Hertfordshire FENSOM, Samuel Son Single M 21 1860 Labourer Pepperstock, Hertfordshire FENSOM, George Son Single M 18 1863 Labourer Pepperstock, Hertfordshire FENSOM, Edward Son Single M 16 1865 Labourer Pepperstock, Hertfordshire FENSOM, Ernest Son Single M 7 1874 Scholar Luton, Bedfordshire FENSOM, Esther Grand Daughter Single F 3 1878 Luton, Bedfordshire
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ErikaH
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28 Nov 2012 15:57 |
To assist others.....................
1851 England Census
Name: Thomas Fensom Age: 43 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1808************* Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Maria Fensom Gender: M (Male) Where born: Pepperstock, Hertfordshire, England Civil parish: Flamstead County/Island: Hertfordshire Country: England
Registration district: Hemel Hempstead Sub-registration district: Kings Langley ED, institution, or vessel: 1a Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 41 Piece: 1715 Folio: 361 Page Number: 10 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Fensom 43 Maria Fensom 44 Sarah Fensom 18 Mary Butterfield 84
*********1808 would fit with 1811 as per 1841
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alviegal
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28 Nov 2012 16:00 |
1861 for Charles and Frederick.
1861 census transcription details for: Penny End, Flamstead Print Close
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG09 Piece: 840 Folio: 84 Page: 9 Reg. District: Hemel Hempstead Sub District: 3 Flamstead Parish: Flamstead Enum. District: 6 E Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Address: Penny End, Flamstead County: Hertfordshire Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born FENSON, Thomas Head Married M 51 1810 Agricultural Labourer Flamstead, Hertfordshire FENSON, Maria Wife Married F 52 1809 Charwoman Northchurch, Hertfordshire FENSON, Frederick Nephew M 8 1853 Straw Plaiter Flamstead, Hertfordshire FENSON, Charles Nephew M 8 1853 Straw Plaiter Flamstead, Hertfordshire BUTTERFIELD, Benjam Brother Widower M 60 1801 Agricultural Labourer Flamstead, Hertfordshire
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ErikaH
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28 Nov 2012 16:01 |
England & Wales Christening Records, 1530-1906
Name: Eliza Fensom Gender: Female Christening Date: 5 Sep 1830 Christening Place: Flamstead, Hertfordshire, England Father's Name: Thomas Fensom Mother's Name: Maria -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
England & Wales Christening Records, 1530-1906
Name: Sarah Fensom Gender: Female Christening Date: 9 Mar 1834 Christening Place: Flamstead, Hertfordshire, England Father's Name: Thomas Fensom Mother's Name: Maria
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alviegal
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28 Nov 2012 16:02 |
1871 census transcription details for: New Land's Farm, Luton Print Close
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG10 Piece: 1571 Folio: 86 Page: 30 Reg. District: Luton Sub District: Luton Parish: Luton Enum. District: 16 Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Address: New Land's Farm, Luton County: Bedfordshire Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born GEORGE, William Head M 25 1846 Hertfordshire GEORGE, Maria Wife F 24 1847 Hertfordshire GEORGE, Emma Sister F 16 1855 Hertfordshire COOK, Harry Servant M 31 1840 Hertfordshire >.FENSOME, Charles Servant M 18 1853 Pepperstock, Hertfordshire
1881 census transcription details for: Pepperstock, Flamstead Print Close
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG11 Piece: 1445 Folio: 81 Page: 18 Reg. District: Hemel Hempstead Sub District: Flamstead Parish: Flamstead Enum. District: Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Address: Pepperstock, Flamstead County: Hertfordshire Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born FENSOM, Charles Head Married M 28 1853 Ag Lab Pepperstock, Hertfordshire FENSOM, Kitty Wife Married F 30 1851 Bonnet Sewer Pepperstock, Hertfordshire FENSOM, Henry Son Single M 8 1873 Scholar Pepperstock, Hertfordshire FENSOM, Nelly Daughter Single F 6 1875 Scholar Pepperstock, Hertfordshire FENSOM, Edward Son Single M 4 1877 Scholar Pepperstock, Hertfordshire FENSOM, Gertrude Daughter Single F 2 1879 Slip End, Hertfordshire FENSOM, Earnest Son Single M 0 1881 Pepperstock, Hertfordshire FENSOM, Thomas Lodger Widower M 78 1803 Ag Lab Pepperstock, Hertfordshire
1891 census transcription details for: Slip End Front Street, Caddington, Slip End, Luton Print Close
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG12 Piece: 1275 Folio: 105 Page: 18 Reg. District: Luton Sub District: Luton Parish: Caddington Enum. District: 42 Ecclesiastical District: St Thomas Caddington City/Municipal Borough: Luton Address: Slip End Front Street, Caddington, Slip End, Luton County: Bedfordshire Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born FENSOM, Charles Head Married M 38 1853 Labourer In Laundry Hampstead, Hertfordshire FENSOM, Kate Wife Married F 39 1852 Straw Hat Sewer Flamstead, Hertfordshire CLARK, Henry A Son Single M 18 1873 General Labourer Flamstead, Hertfordshire FENSOM, Charles E Son M 14 1877 Agricultural Labourer Flamstead, Hertfordshire FENSOM, Gertrude Daughter F 13 1878 Caddington, Bedfordshire FENSOM, Ernest Son M 10 1881 Scholar Flamstead, Hertfordshire FENSOM, Bertie Son M 6 1885 Scholar Flamstead, Hertfordshire FENSOM, Maud Daughter F 3 1888 Scholar Flamstead, Hertfordshire
1901 census transcription details for: Side Street, Caddington, Slip End Print Close
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG13 Piece: 1519 Folio: 97 Page: 22 Reg. District: Luton Sub District: Luton Parish: Caddington Enum. District: 40 Ecclesiastical District: Woodside City/Municipal Borough: Address: Side Street, Caddington, Slip End County: Bedfordshire Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born FENSOM, Charles Head Married M 48 1853 Gentleman's Servant Flamstead, Hertfordshire FENSOM, Kitty Wife Married F 50 1851 Straw Hat Sewer Flamstead, Hertfordshire FENSOM, Ernest Son Single M 20 1881 Machine Maker Apprentice Flamstead, Hertfordshire FENSOM, Bertie Son Single M 16 1885 Machine Shop Assistant Flamstead, Hertfordshire FENSOM, Maud Daughter Single F 13 1888 Straw Hat Finisher Flamstead, Hertfordshire
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28 Nov 2012 16:04 |
England & Wales Christening Records, 1530-1906
Name: Eliza Fensom Gender: Female Christening Date: 5 Sep 1830 Christening Place: Flamstead, Hertfordshire, England Father's Name: Thomas Fensom Mother's Name: Maria -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
England & Wales Christening Records, 1530-1906
Name: Sarah Fensom Gender: Female Christening Date: 9 Mar 1834 Christening Place: Flamstead, Hertfordshire, England Father's Name: Thomas Fensom Mother's Name: Maria
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28 Nov 2012 16:04 |
1871 census transcription details for: Pepperstock, Flamstead
Print Close National Archive Reference: RG number: RG10 Piece: 1388 Folio: 83 Page: 16 Reg. District: Hemel Hampstead Sub District: Flamstead Parish: Flamstead Enum. District: 6 Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Address: Pepperstock, Flamstead County: Hertfordshire Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born FENSOM, Thomas Head M 63 1808 Hertfordshire FENSOM, Maria Wife F 64 1807 Hertfordshire FENSOM, Frederick Grandson M 18 1853 Hertfordshire
Thomas and Frederick listed as Farm LAbourers born Flamstead, Maria as a Straw Plaiter b Berkhamstead
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ErikaH
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28 Nov 2012 16:10 |
1911 census
Person: FENSOME, Charles Address: 25 Harcourt St Luton
FENSOME, Charles Head Widower M 58 1853 Labourer Domestic Pepperstock Herts VIEW FENSOME, Gertrude Daughter Single F 32 1879 Straw Hat Machinist Slip End Beds VIEW APPLEGATE, Ada Boarder Single F 35 1876 Straw Hat Machinist Lincoln
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28 Nov 2012 16:11 |
1911 census
Person: FENSOME, Samuel Address: Rambridge End Stopsley Luton
FENSOME, Samuel Head Married23 years M 52 1859 Brick Burner Pepperstock Beds VIEW FENSOME, Ellen Wife Married F 44 1867 Straw Hat Machinist Stopsley Beds VIEW FENSOME, William Son Single M 23 1888 Labo'rer Stopsley Beds VIEW FENSOME, Sidney Son Single M 21 1890 Farm Labourer Stopsley Beds VIEW FENSOME, Horace Son Single M 19 1892 Farm Labourer Stopsley Beds VIEW FENSOME, Violet Daughter Single F 17 1894 Straw Hat Machinist Stopsley Beds VIEW FENSOME, Edith Daughter Single F 15 1896 Stopsley Beds VIEW FENSOME, Oliver Son M 13 1898 School Stopsley Beds VIEW FENSOME, Ernest Son M 11 1900 School Stopsley Beds VIEW FENSOME, Kenneth Son M 8 1903 School Stopsley Beds VIEW FENSOME, Ivy Daughter F 5 1906 School Stopsley Beds VIEW FENSOME, Hilda Daughter F 4 1907 Stopsley Beds
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greyghost
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28 Nov 2012 16:13 |
1891 census transcription details for: Upper Stopsley, Luton, Stopsley
Print Close National Archive Reference: RG number: RG12 Piece: 1271 Folio: 21 Page: 3 Reg. District: Luton Sub District: Luton Parish: Luton Enum. District: 3 Ecclesiastical District: St Thomas City/Municipal Borough: Address: Upper Stopsley, Luton, Stopsley County: Bedfordshire Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born FENSOME, William Head Married M 60 1831 Farm Laborer Aley Green, Bedfordshire FENSOME, Sarah Wife Married F 60 1831 Pepper Stock, Hertfordshire FENSOME, Edward Son Single M 26 1865 Farm Laborer Pepper Stock, Hertfordshire FENSOME, Ernest Son Single M 17 1874 Farm Laborer Luton, Bedfordshire FENSOME, Esther Granddaughter Single F 13 1878 General Servant Domestic Luton, Bedfordshire
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Chris Ho :)
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28 Nov 2012 16:13 |
Daniel Fensome Elizabeth Coleman Flamstead 14 Oct 1826 Thomas Fensome Maria Butterfield Flamstead 11 Apr 1829 James Fensome Sarah Burges Flamstead 28 Apr 1795 William Fensome Harriet Fitzjohn Flamstead 24 Jul 1830
(other Marriages above might relate to him, below link)
https://www.hertsdirect.org/ufs/ufsmain?formid=HALS_INDEXES
Chris :)
Burials (Find My Past)
FENSOM Ann 1828 1751 Flamstead Hertfordshire FENSOM Eliza 1830 1830 Flamstead Hertfordshire FENSOM George 1829 1829 Flamstead Hertfordshire FENSOM James 1838 1774 Flamstead Hertfordshire
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28 Nov 2012 16:19 |
1901 census transcription details for: 78, Albert Road, Luton Urban, Luton
Print Close National Archive Reference: RG number: RG13 Piece: 1516 Folio: 106 Page: 26 Reg. District: Luton Sub District: Luton Parish: Luton Urban Enum. District: 19 Ecclesiastical District: St Paul City/Municipal Borough: Address: 78, Albert Road, Luton Urban, Luton County: Bedfordshire Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born FENSOME, Ernest Head Married M 25 1876 Fire Range Fitter Luton, Bedfordshire FENSOME, Sarah A Wife Married F 23 1878 Straw Hat Finisher Luton, Bedfordshire FENSOME, Ethel Daughter Single F 1 1900 Luton, Bedfordshire FENSOME, Sarah A Mother-In-Law Widow F 71 1830 Pepperstock, Bedfordshire
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Luciacw
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28 Nov 2012 20:53 |
Wow. Thanks everyone. That's so much to work with. Still not got many ideas for Thomas's baptist so best keep looking.
@Reggie - Unfortunately I can't get access to records through county records office since I live in Scotland. Maybe a visit to an LDS centre might be a good plan!
Thanks for your help :)
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Luciacw
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28 Nov 2012 20:56 |
I'm wondering if a baptism of Thomas Fensom in Luton in 1802 is him. Does anyone know much about Pepperstock? I assume it would be part of Flamstead or Caddington but I'm not sure, not very knowledgeable about local geography.
thanks everyone.
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Chris Ho :)
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28 Nov 2012 21:07 |
Might be worth a look in 'Search All Trees' (under 'Search' top right of page) he seems to be shared by a couple of Members.
Chris :)
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ErikaH
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28 Nov 2012 22:49 |
For geographical info....use either a road map, or google
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Luciacw
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1 Dec 2012 03:15 |
@Reggie - Oh yes, I had a look at google maps etc. My question was what parish Pepperstock would be in, which is not something I would discern from a road map. I think I will consult a gazetteer to see what comes up. Cheers for your suggestion.
@Chris - Thank you. I will check that out very soon!
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