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Would appreciate a search of 1841 Census for David David c. 1786-1788 Llanelly please.

Thanks alviegal, The first couple John and Elizabeth are my 3xGrt Grandparents who married 1799 Llandarrog. I believe John must have died 1841/1851 (too many to find right one). David and Elizabeth are unknown so will have to find out more about them. If Elizabeth married 2nd time in her 70s then she was widowed again before 1861 Census as she is living with daughter without David. I do not think this is correct Elizabeth but thank you for your work. Will have to find out more.

Deaths??

DAVID John Llanelly Carmarthenshire 1841 Apr-May-Jun
DAVID John Llanelly Carmarthenshire 1844 Apr-May-Jun
DAVID John Llanelly Carmarthenshire 1848 Jan-Feb-Mar

First marriage?

Parish Record Collection - Marriage Record
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Groom's First name: John
Groom's Last name: David
Groom's Parish: Llanelli, St. Elli
Banns Year: -
Banns Month: -
Banns Day: -
Place: Llanelli, St Elli
County: Carmarthenshire
Page: 114
Bride's First name: Elizabeth
Bride's Last name: David
Bride's Parish: Llanelli, St. Elli
Marriage Year: -
Marriage Month: 1806
Marriage Day: Apr

Just for reference, as always.

1841 census transcription details for: Mount Pleasant, Llanelly
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107
Piece: 1379
Book/Folio: 5/6
Page: 7
Reg. District: Llanelly
Sub District: Llanelly
Parish: Llanelly
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough: Llanelly
Address: Mount Pleasant, Llanelly
County: Carmarthenshire
Name Relation Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
DAVIDS, John M 75 1766 Carmarthenshire
DAVIDS, Elizabeth F 70 1771 Carmarthenshire


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1851 census transcription details for: Bres, Llanelly
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107
Piece: 2468
Folio: 218
Page: 2
Reg. District: Llanelly
Sub District: Llanelly
Parish: Llanelly
Enum. District: 1D
Ecclesiastical District: Borough Hamlet
City/Municipal Borough: Llanelly
Address: Bres, Llanelly
County: Carmarthenshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
DAVID, David Head Married M 63 1788 Lab
Llanarthney, Carmarthenshire
DAVID, Elizabeth Wife Married F 78 1773
Llangunnor, Carmarthenshire
DAVID, William Grand Son Unmarried M 17 1834 Engineer
Llanelly, Carmarthenshire

More help please as above.

Hi, I seem to have lost my 3xGrt Grandmother on 1851 Census.. Would sks look for Elizabeth David c1869 (birth yr alters every Census) I have her with husband John 1841 Census and she is with her daughter Margaret on 1861 Census. suspect husband John died btwn 1841/51 but would be bonus for searching for D/Cert if he is with her.
These names are so common they are a pain. Appreciate all help I can get. Thanks.
1841 Census at Mount Pleasant, Llanelly.
1861 Census at Bres Cottags, Greenfield Terr. Llanelly with daughter Margaret Howell and family.

Oh dear, Thanks Mike, Still confused. I thought Elizabeth was my 3xGrt Grandmother but not so if David her husband as mine was John. So many Elizabeth's but had a suspicion there may have been a David somewhere, being a family name. Will need more research on him. Many thanks.

1851

David David 63 - Lab - Llanarthney, Carmarthenshire
Elizabeth David 78 - wife
William David 17 - grandson

Hi, thank you for further info. on Howells family. Waiting for D/Cert of Margaret's Mother (my connection). I have info on 1851 Census of Elizabeth David age 78 at Bres, Llanelly. This is from a Transcripted CD of 1851 Census which does not give full info. or relationships (hopeless).
With Elizabeth there is a Grandson (I know he is grandson by age) but my request is that there is another person David David age 63. Would someone kindly look him up and tell me who he is please, I have'nt a clue but must be a relation I should think.
Many thanks for any help anyone can give. Sylvia

Anne's is the only christening showing on familysearch.

Parents: Hector Howell,? Margaret

name: Ann Howell
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 23 May 1838
baptism/christening place: LLANELLY,CARMARTHEN,WALES
father's name: Hector Howell
mother's name: Margaret
indexing project (batch) number: C05926-1
system origin: Wales-ODM
source film number: 105163, 105164

Hi Sylvia

Well noticed about the widower bit on the 1861. I have checked it and it should read married. have done a correction.

liz

Hi, Thank you for your thoughts, still wondering about children but notice you have Widower after Hector instead of Married on 1861 Census. It is possible for Margaret at age 48 to have Joseph but more likely a Grandson. Needs more investigating.
Thank you for your time and work. I have been able to send for D.Cert of 3xGrt Grandmother due to finding her with Margaret her daughter on 1861 Census. She died 1863 so that was a bonus. Many thanks.

I thought of that as well Mike but here is the parents' marriage.


Parish Record Collection - Marriage Record
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Grooms Last Name: Howell
Grooms First Name: Hector
Grooms Fathers First Name:
Grooms Fathers Last Name:
Grooms Parish: Llanelly
Grooms Age:
Brides Last Name: David
Brides First Name: Margaret
Brides Fathers First Name:
Brides Fathers Last Name:
Brides Parish: Llanelly
Brides Age:
County: Carmarthenshire
Place / Parish: Dafen
Marriage Year: 1835
Marriage Month: Aug
Marriage Day: 7

It could be that Margaraet was married before with a son John.

I'm more dubious about son Joseph born 1856.

Can't see it being Margaret's son, she would have been nearly 50

1841 census transcription details for: Wern, Llanelly
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107
Piece: 1379
Book/Folio: 6/37
Page: 25
Reg. District: Llanelly
Sub District: Llanelly
Parish: Llanelly
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough: Llanelly
Address: Wern, Llanelly
County: Carmarthenshire
Name Relation Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
HOWELL, Hector M 25 1816 Carmarthenshire
HOWELL, Margaret F 30 1811 Carmarthenshire
HOWELL, Anne F 5 1836 Carmarthenshire
HOWELL, Margaret F 3 1838 Carmarthenshire
HOWELL, William M 0 (3 months) 1841 Carmarthenshire

1851 for reference.


1851 census transcription details for: Upper Wern, Llanelly
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107
Piece: 2468
Folio: 223
Page: 12
Reg. District: Llanelly
Sub District: Llanelly
Parish: Llanelly
Enum. District: 1D
Ecclesiastical District: Borough Hamlet
City/Municipal Borough: Llanelly
Address: Upper Wern, Llanelly
County: Carmarthenshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
HOWELL, Hector Head Married M 43 1808 Coal Miner
Llanelly, Carmarthenshire
HOWELL, Margaret Wife Married F 43 1808 Coal Miner Wife
Llanelly, Carmarthenshire
>.HOWELL, John Son Unmarried M 14 1837 Pottery
Llanelly, Carmarthenshire
HOWELL, Margaret Daughter F 8 1843 Scholar
Llanelly, Carmarthenshire
HOWELL, Elizabeth Daughter F 6 1845 Scholar
Llanelly, Carmarthenshire
HOWELL, John Son M 2 1849
Llanelly, Carmarthenshire


1861 census transcription details for: Bres Cottages, Greenfields Terrace, Llanelly
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG09
Piece: 4112
Folio: 36
Page: 18
Reg. District: Llanelly
Sub District: 2 Llanelly
Parish: Llanelly
Enum. District: 6
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Bres Cottages, Greenfields Terrace, Llanelly
County: Carmarthenshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
HOWELL, Hector Head Widower M 52 1809 Collier
Llanelly, Carmarthenshire
HOWELL, Margaret Wife Married F 53 1808
Llanelly, Carmarthenshire
HOWELL, John Son M 12 1849 Collier
Llanelly, Carmarthenshire
HOWELL, Joseph Son M 5 1856
Llanelly, Carmarthenshire
HOWELL, Elizabeth Daughter F 15 1846
Llanelly, Carmarthenshire
DAVID, Elizabeth Mother In Law Widow F 92 1769
Llanelly, Carmarthenshire



1871 census transcription details for: Bres Road, Llanelly
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG10
Piece: 5466
Folio: 82
Page: 7
Reg. District: Llanelly
Sub District: Llanelly
Parish: Llanelly
Enum. District: 10
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Bres Road, Llanelly
County: Carmarthenshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
HOWELLS, Hector Head M 60 1811 Carmarthenshire
HOWELLS, Magaret Wife F 61 1810 Carmarthenshire
HOWELLS, Elizabeth Daughter F 25 1846 Carmarthenshire
HOWELLS, John Son M 22 1849 Carmarthenshire
HOWELLS, Joseph Son M 15 1856 Carmarthenshire

Thanks alviegal, I don't think he is the one I am looking for. Trying to understand why two sons called John in same family. 1851 Census has Hector and Margaret Howell b.1808 Llanelly. John c.1837 and John c.1849. Have traced John 1849 on 1881 Census living in Llanelly with wife and family. Must be an explanation, both living 1851 Census. Thanks.

This is the one you were looking at. How did you get back to him? Is he an ancestor of yours?


1861 census transcription details for: Barna, Pembrey
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG09
Piece: 4115
Folio: 12
Page: 19
Reg. District: Llanelly
Sub District: 3 Pembrey
Parish: Pembrey
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Barna, Pembrey
County: Carmarthenshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
HOWELL, Thomas Head Widower M 51 1810 Copperman Watch Man
Glamorgan
HOWELL, John Son Unmarried M 23 1838 Blacksmith
Glamorgan Morriston
HOWELL, Jane Daughter Unmarried F 21 1840
Glamorgan Morriston
HOWELL, Anne Daughter F 19 1842
Glamorgan Morriston
HOWELL, Mary Daughter F 15 1846 Scholar
Glamorgan Morriston
HOWELL, Catherine Daughter F 12 1849 Scholar
Glamorgan Morriston

What was his occupation ?


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1861 - Pembrey, Carmarthenshire

Thomas Howell 51
John Howell 23 - Blacksmith
Jane Howell 21
Anne Howell 19
Mary Howell 15
Catherine Howell 12


OR

1861
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John Howells 24 - CoalMiner - Llanelly, Carmarthenshire
Elenor Howells 23 - wife
Owen Thomas 20
David Williams 20
William Thomas 18