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30 Nov 2012 06:26 |
Hi! Can sks please look at the listing for passengers by the name of HAIGH travelling in 1911 from London to Fremantle, Western Australia. (With any luck, after the 1911 Census!)
Raynor, Arthur, William and 2 females shown on FMP. Trying to establish if these females were wife Annice/Anice and ?daughter Phyllis.
It appears children of Annice & Raynor (who married in Halifax, Yorkshire in 1899) may have been raised by her brother Albert WILSON and his wife Ethel SHEPHERD (or vice versa), but I have no idea why this would be as Raynor lived until 1947 (Albert died in 1933!) and Annice lived til 1960. It is very confusing.
Phyllis Rayonette married into my McMeekin lot (as WILSON). She called Albert her father (with uncle in brackets) in his 'in memoriam' notices and referred to Raynor as her 'adopted father' in his! :-S
Phyllis (known as Ray) died in 1993 in Perth, Western Australia.
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30 Nov 2012 08:13 |
Name: Raynor HAIGH Date of departure: 29 September 1911 Port of departure: London Passenger destination port: Fremantle, Australia Passenger destination: Fremantle, Australia Date of Birth: Age: Marital status: Married Sex: Male Occupation: Plumber Passenger recorded on: Page 5 of 32 The following people with the same last name travelled on this voyage: - Mrs HAIGH Page 5 of 32 Arthur HAIGH Page 5 of 32 Ship: Official Number: Master's name: Steamship Line: Where bound: Square feet: Registered tonnage: Passengers on voyage: ORVIETO 129628 W S Shelford Orient Australia 14466 7421 1076 (under Arthur, a Phyllis Wilson)
Chris :)
1901 WILSON, Arthur F Head Married M 43 1858 Dyer's Warehouseman Ovenden, Yorkshire WILSON, Sarah Wife Married F 43 1858 Shopwoman Grocer Ovenden, Yorkshire WILSON, Albert Son Single M 17 1884 Apprentice Iron Moulder Ovenden, Yorkshire HAIGH, Annice Daughter Married F 19 1882 Ovenden, Yorkshire HAIGH, Raynor Son-In-Law Married M 22 1879 Tram Conductor Halifax, Yorkshire HAIGH, Arthur Wm Grand Son Single M 0 (4 MOS) 1901 Ovenden, Yorkshire Piece: 4136 Folio: 65 Page: 14 Registration District: Halifax Civil Parish: Halifax Municipal Borough: Address: 312, Ovenden Road, Halifax County: Yorkshire (West riding)
1911 HAIGH, Rayner Head Married M 32 1879 Carter (Carting Agents) Halifax Yorks HAIGH, Annice Wife Married 11 years F 29 1882 Halifax Yorks HAIGH, Auther Son Single M 10 1901 Halifax Yorks CLAYTON, Thomas Eric Boarder M 17 1894 Labourer Halifax Yorks RG number: RG14 Piece: 26519 Reference: RG14PN26519 RG78PN1529 RD496 SD6 ED3 SN103 Registration District: Halifax Sub District: Halifax North Enumeration District: 3 Parish: Halifax Address: 4 Stoney Lane Ovenden Halifax County: Yorkshire (West riding) (says 1 child born, 1 living)
1891 SMITH, George Head Married M 44 1847 Farmer Ovenden, Yorkshire SMITH, Lucy Wife Married F 54 1837 Woolen Weaver Ovenden, Yorkshir SMITH, Mary E Daughter Single F 21 1870 Woolen Weaver Ovenden, Yorkshire HAIGH, Raynor Adopted Son Single M 12 1879 Scholar Ovenden, Yorkshire Piece: 3603 Folio: 42 Page: 3 Registration District: Halifax Civil Parish: Ovenden Municipal Borough: Halifax Address: 21, Ramsden Street, Ovenden, Halifax County: Yorkshire (West Riding)
1881 SMITH, George Head Married M 34 1847 Farmer Ovenden HX, Yorkshire SMITH, Lucy Wife Married F 43 1838 Ovenden HX, Yorkshire HAIGH, Raynor Adopted Son Single M 2 1879 Ovenden HX, Yorkshire SMITH, Mary Ellen Daughter Single F 11 1870 Worsted Spinner Ovenden HX, Yorkshire NICHOLL, Betty Domestic Single F 65 1816 Ovenden HX, Yorkshire Piece: 4419 Folio: 42 Page: 3 Registration District: Halifax Civil Parish: Ovenden Municipal Borough: Address: Ramsden Street, Ovenden County: Yorkshire (West riding)
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Cherilyn
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30 Nov 2012 08:50 |
Hmmm. Curiouser and curiouser, Chris!
Thanks for this...so she travelled as Wilson...well. Can you please see if you can spot Annice's brother Albert in 1911 Census? (he is with Annice & Raynor, and his parents, in 1901). Maybe he IS Phyllis' father after all...
OR - bit trickier - Albert's travel to Australia (he married in WA in 1915). Did he also travel with the Haighs?
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30 Nov 2012 09:08 |
FYI
The West Australian, Thursday 28 September 1933 WILSON.-On September 27, 1933, at his, residence, 12 Byron-street, Leederville, Albert Wilson, dearly beloved husband of Ethel Wilson, fond father of Phylis, Annice, Alberta, George and Arthur and stepfather of Emily, aged 49 years.
(I can see Annice & Alberta born in WA but no idea who Emily is!)
The West Australian, Wednesday 5 February 1947 HAIGH.-On February 3, 1947, at the Royal Perth Hospital, Raynor, the beloved husband of Annice Haigh, loved father of Arthur, adopted Dad of Ray (Mrs. McMeekin) and Audrey (Mrs. Smith), father-in-law of Maud, Bill and Charles, loving granddad of Zena and Gilbert Stagg. U.S.A., Kerry Smith and Billie McMeekin. Privately Cremated in the Karrakatta Crematorium on Tuesday afternoon, February 4, 1947. Arthur J. Purslowe and Co. Even so, Father, for it seemeth good in Thy sight.
Also no idea who Audrey is (she married Chas SMITH as HAIGH in WA in 1945)
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30 Nov 2012 09:08 |
1911 WILSON, Arthur F Head Married M 52 1859 Chip And Fish Business Ovenden Halifax WILSON, Sarah A Wife Married30 years F 53 1858 Ovenden Halifax WILSON, Albert Son Single M 27 1884 Hanger On Under Ground Ovenden Halifax RG number: RG14 Piece: 26530 Reference: RG14PN26530 RG78PN1529 RD496 SD6 ED14 SN127 Registration District: Halifax Sub District: Halifax North Enumeration District: 14 Parish: Halifax Address: 3 Sladdin St Boothtown Halifax County: Yorkshire (West riding)
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30 Nov 2012 09:11 |
"hanger on" - oh dear! :-D
I do like that his dad went from warehouseman to fish & chippie! :-)
And Raynor from tram conductor to plumber (though I have heard stories of men putting down trades to makes themselves more appealing as new migrants!)
Hm still single...I estimate Phyllis would have been born c1911. I thought she must be the Phyllis HAIGH born in Halifax in 1910 but now I am really confused!
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30 Nov 2012 09:21 |
Albert & Annice's mother Sarah Ann also came to WA, where she died in 1926 (name listed in other notices):
The West Australian, Wednesday 31 October 1934 WILSON. — To the memory of my dear Grannie called Home, October 31,1926; also my Father (Uncle), Albert Wilson, called Home, September 27, 1933. Not just today, but every day, I remember. Inserted by Phyllis Rayonette.
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30 Nov 2012 09:24 |
Lol, does seem muddlin'...
(will have a look round later, must get out of chair now!, could be something more on West Yorkshire Collection, Ancestry)...
West Yorkshire, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1910 Name: Arthur William Haigh Parish: Ovenden, St George Baptism Date: 13 Feb 1910 Father's Name: Raymon Haigh (Raynor) Mother's Name: Annice Haigh (on image presume as Godparents, Arthur Foulds Wilson, Sarah Ann Wilson)
Chris :)
edits (wonder if Aus. arrival of 'Orvieto', might give age of Phyllis)
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30 Nov 2012 09:53 |
Name: Mr A WILSON Date of departure: 29 September 1911 Port of departure: London Passenger destination port: Fremantle, Australia Passenger destination: Fremantle, Australia Date of Birth: Age: Marital status: Single Sex: Male Occupation: Labourer Passenger recorded on: Page 3 of 32 Mrs WILSON Page 5 of 32 Miss A E WILSON Page 24 of 32 Frederick WILSON Page 18 of 32 John WILSON Page 5 of 32 Lena WILSON Page 5 of 32 Margaret WILSON Page 5 of 32 Phyllis WILSON Page 5 of 32 Miss W WILSON Page 24 of 32 Ship: Official Number: Master's name: Steamship Line: Where bound: Square feet: Registered tonnage: Passengers on voyage: ORVIETO 129628 W S Shelford Orient Australia 14466 7421 1076 (same Voyage, different page!, Phyllis is with Haighs, John and other Wilsons further down, if related)
Chris :)
(will look in later!)
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30 Nov 2012 13:50 |
Births Jun 1910 (>99%) -------------------------------------------- HAIGH Phyllis Halifax 9a 390
West Yorkshire, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1910 Name: Phyllis Haigh Birth Date: 19 Apr 1910 Parish: King Cross (Halifax), St Paul Baptism Date: 22 May 1910 Father's Name: Willie Haigh (Labourer) Mother's Name: Winifred Salina Haigh
(1910 could be above, says Shoesmith, side of image)
1911 SHOESMITH, Arthur Head Married M 52 1859 Labourer Road Halifax Yorks SHOESMITH, Hannah Wife Married30 years F 52 1859 Carlton Notts SHOESMITH, George Son Single M 24 1887 Painter And Decorator Nottingham SHOESMITH, Hilda Daughter Single F 21 1890 Worsted Winder Halifax Yorks SHOESMITH, Harry Grandson M 1 1910 Halifax Yorks HAIGH, Winifred Daughter Married 3 years F 22 1889 Weaver Torquary Devon HAIGH, Albert Grandson M 3 1908 Halifax Yorks HAIGH, Phyllis Granddaughter F 0 (11 MONTHS) 1911 Halifax Yorks RG number: RG14 Piece: 26527 Reference: RG14PN26527 RG78PN1529 RD496 SD6 ED11 SN302 Registration District: Halifax Sub District: Halifax North Enumeration District: 11 Parish: Halifax Address: 15 Godley Road Halifax County: Yorkshire (West riding)
West Yorkshire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1935 Name: Willie Haigh (Yarn Washer) Birth Year: abt 1887 Age: 21 Marriage or Bann Date: 25 Jan 1908 Parish: Halifax, St John the Baptist Father's Name: Foster Haigh (Printer) Spouse's Name: Winifred Selina Shoesmith Spouse's Father's Name: Arthur Shoesmith Chris :)
edits (looking at 1911 image for Albert Wilson, 'hanger on, underground, coal & clay colliery, thought I'd just check, lol)
1891 WILSON, Arthur Head Married M 32 1859 Warehouseman Hoe, Yorkshire WILSON, Sarah A Wife F 33 1858 Hoe, Yorkshire WILSON, Annie Daughter F 9 1882 Scholar (Annice) Hoe, Yorkshire WILSON, Albert Son M 7 1884 Scholar Hoe, Yorkshire Piece: 3603 Folio: 78 Page: 6 Registration District: Halifax Civil Parish: Halifax Municipal Borough: Halifax Address: 25, Ovenden Road, Halifax County: Yorkshire (West Riding)
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30 Nov 2012 17:14 |
Australian Electoral Rolls, 1903-1980 Raynor Haig Gender: Male Electoral Year: 1937 State: Western Australia District: Fremantle Subdistrict: Leederville (Phyllis Rayonette Haigh too, all at 74, Fairford Street)
Chris :)
edits (with below, just found)
West Yorkshire, England, Deaths and Burials, 1813-1985 Name: Arthur Foulds Wilson Birth Year: abt 1859 Parish: Illingworth, St Mary Burial Date: 12 Oct 1918 Burial Age: 59 (same address as 1911)
(Mother, Outgoing) Name: Mrs S A WILSON Date of departure: 15 November 1919 Port of departure: London Passenger destination port: Fremantle, Australia Passenger destination: Fremantle, Australia Date of Birth: 1858 (calculated from age) Age: 61 Marital status: Sex: Female Occupation: Housekeeper Passenger recorded on: Page 5 of 36 Ship: Official Number: Master's name: Steamship Line: Where bound: Square feet: Registered tonnage: Passengers on voyage: ORMONDE 141866 Hugh Geoffrey Staunton Orient Line Australia 18682 9021 891
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3 Dec 2012 09:23 |
Thanks, Chris.
Confused as to where Shoesmith fits in?
Still not clear on Phyllis' parents...wonder if she was born to Albert but then you have her listed as Haigh on the electoral roll - though that was after Albert had died.
She is a mystery!
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3 Dec 2012 09:34 |
Hello Cherilyn, Shoesmith was maiden name of Winifred... (mother of Phyllis Haigh 1910)
1911 has her with parents (above), and Willie with his!.
Chris :)
HAIGH, Foster Head Married M 50 1861 Printer Compositor Halifax Yorkshire HAIGH, Mary Wife Married12 years F 39 1872 House Wife Luddenden Fort Yorkshire HAIGH, Ernest Son Single M 26 1885 Fish And Chip Frier Shop Keeper Halifax Yorkshire HAIGH, Willie Son Married M 24 1887 Packer Toffee Shop Halifax Yorkshire HAIGH, Edith Daughter Single F 18 1893 Spinner At Worsted Mill Halifax Yorkshire HAIGH, Arthur Son M 12 1899 School Part Time Bobbin Carrier At Worsted Mill Halifax Yorkshire HAIGH, Harry Grandson M 0 1911 Halifax Yorkshire RG number: RG14 Piece: 26478 Reference: RG14PN26478 RG78PN1528A RD496 SD5 ED27 SN58 Registration District: Halifax Sub District: Halifax South Enumeration District: 27 Parish: Halifax Address: 26 Bruce Street Parkinson Lane Halifax County: Yorkshire (West riding)
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3 Dec 2012 13:37 |
to the 1911 voyage - are you saying that a Phyllis WILSON is listed as well as a Phyllis HAIGH? As 2 different ppl?
Thinking Willie is not connected to 'my' Phyllis, but could be wrong...
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3 Dec 2012 14:26 |
1911 voyage Phyllis Wilson.
(was just 'sorting' the 1910 Birth Phyllis Haigh you mentioned earlier)
Lol, not getting any nearer, sorry!...
Chris :)
Sunday Times (Perth, WA : 1902 - 1954)Sunday 17 December 1939
(lovely account of her Wedding)
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