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haylz

haylz Report 2 Dec 2012 09:20

Hi,

I am looking for my partner's mum's side of the family the last name is james and so far i have got Wilfred james who was born in 1927 and died in 1989 and his mother was Olga Spencer who was born in 1892 finding this side of the family really hard at the moment.

Dea

Dea Report 2 Dec 2012 09:29

So, Wilfred was a twin?

Births Dec 1927 (>99%)

James Doris Spencer Cardiff 11a 643
James Wilfred Spencer Cardiff 11a 643

Dea x

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 2 Dec 2012 09:29

I assume the surname you are researching is James - not 'Side' as it looks like from the heading!
Have you got a location?
How do you know Wilfred's mother's details?

Just for our reference:

Births Dec 1927 (>99%)
James Wilfred Spencer Cardiff 11a 643

Jan

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 2 Dec 2012 09:29

Is this your Olga??

Household transcription
1911 census

Person: SPENCER, Olga
Address: 56 Stoughton St Cardiff

SPENCER, Ellen Head Widow F 46 1865 Glos Bristol VIEW
SPENCER, Earny Son Single M 28 1883 Billposter Glam Cardiff VIEW
SPENCER, Olga Daughter Single F 19 1892 Cleaner Glam Cardiff VIEW
SPENCER, Archie Son M 6 1905 School Glam Cardiff VIEW
RG number: RG14
Piece: 32153
Reference: RG14PN32153 RG78PN1847 RD588 SD4 ED21 SN149
Registration District: Cardiff
Sub District: West Cardiff
Enumeration District: 21
Parish: Cardiff
Address: 56 Stoughton St Cardiff
County: Glamorganshire

haylz

haylz Report 2 Dec 2012 09:32

yea i got that info can't seem to find her husband or anything like that x

yes i am searching the surname james

haylz

haylz Report 2 Dec 2012 09:33

i got the info from my mother in law

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 2 Dec 2012 09:35

1901 Wales Census
about Ellen Spencer
Name: Ellen Spencer
Age in 1901: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John Spencer
Gender: Female
Where born: Bristol

Civil parish: Barry
Ecclesiastical parish: Sully
Town: Barry
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales

Street Address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image

Registration district: Cardiff
Sub-registration district: St Nicholas
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 113
Piece: 4995
Folio: 15
Page Number: 22
Household Members: Name Age
John Spencer 60
Ellen Spencer 35
Ernest Spencer 18
Alfa Spencer 9 >>>>>>Olga on the image


brummiejan

brummiejan Report 2 Dec 2012 09:36

I suggest you buy your James' birth certificate, if you don't know anything about his father.
Jan

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 2 Dec 2012 09:37

Do you know the name of Wilfred's Father??



brummiejan

brummiejan Report 2 Dec 2012 09:43

Just wondering if she had been married previously:

Marriages Dec 1918 (>99%)
BROWN William Spencer Cardiff 11a 758
Spencer Olga F Brown Cardiff 11a 758

Marriages Jun 1925 (>99%)
Brown Olga F James Cardiff 11a 806
JAMES Wilfred C Brown Cardiff 11a 806

Jan

haylz

haylz Report 2 Dec 2012 09:46

no i am not really sure

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 2 Dec 2012 09:47

Based on the above I am hazarding a guess, but you need Wilfred junior's birth cert to confirm:

Births Sep 1887 (>99%)
JAMES Wilfred Charles Newport M. 11a 224

Jan

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 2 Dec 2012 09:48

I was just checking that one out too Jan.



haylz

haylz Report 2 Dec 2012 09:50

ok thanks will see if my mother in law knows

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 2 Dec 2012 09:51

I know you aren't sure, but the above marriages make perfect sense - note Olga Brown married a Wilfred James so his name supports the evidfence.
I am 99% sure this is the right couple. But the younger Wilfred's birth cert is essential, as there is more than one Wilfred James on the census so you need more information.
Jan

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 2 Dec 2012 09:53

If the above is your Olga this is possibly her death - keep for reference:

Name: Olga Ferguson James
Birth Date: 14 Oct 1891
Date of Registration: Oct 1985
Age at Death: 94
Registration district: South Glamorgan
Inferred County: South Glamorgan
Volume: 28
Page: 2185

Jan

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 2 Dec 2012 09:56

Just a footnote - can't see a birth for an Olga F. Spencer anywhere!
Please get back to us when you have the birth cert, would be very interested to know the outcome of this one.
Jan

Dea

Dea Report 2 Dec 2012 09:59

You beat me to it with those marriages Jan - I was just about to post them !! :-( :-D

Dea x

Flip

Flip Report 2 Dec 2012 10:11

If the Olga on the census is the right one, I think her father must have been married previously and also lived in South Africa - this looks like them in 1891:

Ellen Spencer
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John Spencer
Gender: Female
Where born: Bristol

Civil parish: St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Cardiff
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales

Street Address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image

Registration district: Cardiff
Sub-registration district: Cardiff
ED, institution, or vessel: 31b
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4395
Folio: 55
Page Number: 15
Household Members: Name Age
John Spencer 45 <Mason, born Southampton
Ellen Spencer 25
John Spencer 13 <b Cape of Good Hope
Robert Spencer 11 < ditto
Bernest Spencer 9 < born Cardiff
Cecila Anderson 20



Flip

Flip Report 2 Dec 2012 10:19

John is a widow in 1881:

John Spencer
Age: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Southampton, Hampshire, England

Civil parish: Bristol St Philip and Jacob Out
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England

Street Address: 32 Regent St
Condition as to marriage: Widow
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Grocer Holds Captains Command South African Volunteer

Registration district: Barton Regis
Sub-registration district: St Philip & St Jacob
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2497
Folio: 104
Page Number: 16
Household Members: Name Age
John Spencer 39
George Spencer 15
William Spencer 10
Roselia Spencer 5
John Spencer 3
Robert Spencer 1

All children born South Africa, looks like Kapporia?