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Parish records - Burgh - by - Sands , Cumberland

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Valerie

Valerie Report 22 Dec 2012 02:11

Thanks Filip,great ,very interesting.
Valerie.

Flip

Flip Report 21 Dec 2012 18:00

Well, it's taken a while but finally got to the records office this afternoon. I've got a copy of the page for your christening, so I'll scan and PM you either later or in the morning. It was at St Michaels, Burgh.

The marriage of your grandparents John Birkett & Eliza Fiddler on 26/10/1898 in St Michaels would confirm the various info already posted. He was 22, a husbandman of Burgh, father Wiliam Birkett, husbandman. She was 21 of Burgh, father John Fiddler (deceased) coal agent. The witnesses were John & Ester Fiddler.

Their children were all christened at St Michaels, and the address given for all but Ann just statedd Burgh by Sands, hers also stated Station Road:

John Fiddler Birkett, b 23/2/1899 ch 16/4/1899 (father husbandman)
Ann b 13/11/1902 ch 18/1/03
William b 12/7/05 ch 20/8/05
Mary b 13/8/07 ch 15/9/07 (father labourer in Tanyard)
Edward 26/9/09 - 5/12/09 (husbandman)
James Fiddler 19/2/12 - 14/4/12
Elizabeth 1/3/14 - 11/3/14
Margaret 3/4/17 - 15/4/17
Kenneth 16/10/19 - 28/12/19

However, nether John or Eliza were christened at Burgh or Beaumont, and their parents were not married in either of these parishes.

Will PM you later with your christening. Have to take the dogs out now!

Flip

Flip Report 3 Dec 2012 18:49

1881 census for the John found by Gins:

John Birket
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William Birket
Mother's Name: Ester Birket
Gender: Male
Where born: Beaumont, Cumberland, England

Civil parish: Beaumont
County/Island: Cumberland
Country: England

Street Address: Beaumont
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Schollar

Registration district: Carlisle
Sub-registration district: Burgh
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 5162
Folio: 21
Page Number: 5
Household Members: Name Age
William Birket 40 b Millom
Ester 35 b Weatherall
Dinah 11
Isabella 7
John 5
Joseph 11 months

all children born Beaumont
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Baillie George Carlisle 10b 611
Birkett William Carlisle 10b 611 <<<
JEFFERSON John Wigton 10b 611
Montague Alice Carlisle 10b 611
TURNBULL Esther Carlisle 10b 611 <<<

Flip

Flip Report 3 Dec 2012 18:29

OK, bad news I'm not now going to Carlisle this week sorry but I'll get to the RO on Monday or Tuesday next week. Other work committments have taken over I'm afraid.

Now, I was house-bound today so did a bit more research - have you found Freebmd? From 1911 the mmn was recorded so there are later children, including your father:

Births Jun 1912 (>99%)
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Birkett James F Fiddler Carlisle 10b 1182

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Births Mar 1914 (>99%)
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BIRKETT Elizabeth Fiddler Carlisle 10b 1172

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Births Jun 1917 (>99%)
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Birkett Margaret Fiddler Carlisle 10b 1025

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Births Dec 1919 (>99%)
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Birkett Kenneth Fiddler Carlisle 10b 1242 99%)
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And your grandmother:
Eliza Fiddler
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John Fiddler
Mother's Name: Ann Fiddler
Gender: Female
Where born: Burgh, Cumberland, England

Civil parish: Burgh
Ecclesiastical parish: Burgh
Town: Burgh
County/Island: Cumberland
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Carlisle
Sub-registration district: Burgh
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4293
Folio: 31
Page Number: 8
Household Members: Name Age
John Fiddler 55 (born Thursby)
Ann Fiddler 53
Esther Fiddler 15
Eliza Fiddler 13
Edward Fiddler 9

Her parents marriage:

Barnes Andrew Carlisle 10b 608
English Ann Carlisle 10b 608 <<<
Fiddler John James Carlisle 10b 608 <<<
Lawson Hannah Carlisle 10b 608

I've a bit more John Birketts ancestry, will post up in a little while, but do you already have this ancestry?

Valerie

Valerie Report 3 Dec 2012 14:11

Gins & Filip thank you a million. :-)
Valerie .

Gins

Gins Report 2 Dec 2012 17:23

This looks like your grandfather


1891 England Census
about John Birkett
Name: John Birkett
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William Birkett
Mother's Name: Esther Birkett
Gender: Male
Where born: Beaumont, Cumberland, England

Civil parish: Hawkesdale
Ecclesiastical parish: Hawkesdale
County/Island: Cumberland
Country: England

Registration district: Carlisle
Sub-registration district: Dalston
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4294
Folio: 82
Page Number: 11
Household Members: Name Age
William Birkett 50
Esther Birkett 45
Dinah Birkett 21
John Birkett 15
Benjamin Birkett 6


1881 England Census
about John Birket
Name: John Birket
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William Birket
Mother's Name: Ester Birket
Gender: Male
Where born: Beaumont, Cumberland, England

Civil parish: Beaumont
County/Island: Cumberland
Country: England

Street Address: Beaumont
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Schollar

Registration district: Carlisle
Sub-registration district: Burgh
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 5162
Folio: 21
Page Number: 5
Household Members: Name Age
William Birket 40 <<Farm Servant
Ester Birket 35
Dinah Birket 11
Isabella Birket 7
John Birket 5
Joseph Birket



Gins

Gins Report 2 Dec 2012 17:16

Flip, children of Eiza and John....births



John: Burgh, Cumberland, England

Ann: Burgh, Cumberland, England

William: Burgh, Cumberland, England

Mary: Burgh, Cumberland, England

Edward: Burgh, Cumberland, England

Valerie

Valerie Report 2 Dec 2012 17:02

Think all the family ancestors were born & Christened in the area . Would love to know more ,dates etc & how far back we can go .
Hope it can keep you out the cold ??
Valerie :-)

Valerie

Valerie Report 2 Dec 2012 16:57

To Filip & Gins , :-) :-) :-) Thankyou. .

Valerie

Valerie Report 2 Dec 2012 16:57

To Filip & Gins , :-) :-) :-) Thankyou. .

Flip

Flip Report 2 Dec 2012 16:53

Valerie, you didn't need to delete your post, you could have clicked on edit and just taken out your dob. Think there is only one church in Burgh, but I'll let you know and PM the image if I can find it.

Anyway, they are quite insular in that area, so will also take a look at Gins possible marriage and children as well - Gins were they all born locally?

Keeps me out of the cold!

Valerie

Valerie Report 2 Dec 2012 16:53

Interesting observation Gins.
Know she was a strong minded lady .
Valerie

Valerie

Valerie Report 2 Dec 2012 16:50

Yes Gins this looks like my Grandmother & Grandfather
Thank you so much for all the info..
looks like Church could be St Michael ,Burgh.
Thank you , this can be checked.

Gins

Gins Report 2 Dec 2012 16:47

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2006
Name: Eliza Birkett
Birth Date: abt 1879
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1957
Age at Death: 78
Registration district: Carlisle
Inferred County: Cumberland
Volume: 1a
Page: 23


So, your grandmother would have been getting on in terms of age. Maybe she couldnt travel and wanted you baptised close to where she lived.

Valerie

Valerie Report 2 Dec 2012 16:40

Dear Filip. Thank you so much for your advice & help.
Will look forward to hearing from you next week.
Take care ,cold weather !
Valerie.

Gins

Gins Report 2 Dec 2012 16:38

Is this your grandmother?


Marriages Dec 1898
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Birkett John Carlisle 10b 877
Fiddler Eliza Carlisle 10b 877
Graham Richard Henry Carlisle 10b 877
STORDY Fanny Carlisle 10b 877



1901 England Census
about Eliza Birkett
Name: Eliza Birkett
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John Birkett
Gender: Female
Where born: Burgh, Cumberland, England

Civil parish: Burgh
Ecclesiastical parish: Burgh St Michael
County/Island: Cumberland
Country: England

Registration district: Carlisle
Sub-registration district: Burgh
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 97
Piece: 4871
Folio: 36
Page Number: 12
Household Members: Name Age
John Birkett 26
Eliza Birkett 28
John Birkett 2


1911 England Census
about John Birkett
Name: John Birkett
Age in 1911: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Beaumont, Cumberland, England
Civil parish: Burgh by Sands
County/Island: Cumberland
Country: England
Street Address: Burgh By Sands
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Tangard Labourer
Registration district: Carlisle
Registration District Number: 574
Sub-registration district: Burgh
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Piece: 31350
Household Members: Name Age
John Birkett 35
Eliza Birkett 33
John Birkett 12
Ann Birkett 8
William Birkett 5
Mary Birkett 3
Edward Birkett 1





Valerie

Valerie Report 2 Dec 2012 16:34

Dear Londonbelle ,I would like to know which Church I was Christened in & when.
Thankyou

Flip

Flip Report 2 Dec 2012 16:34

OK, I work in Carlisle - will take a look at the parish register next week.

Valerie, remove your exact dob - not recommended on a open site - and I have a note of it!

Londonbelle

Londonbelle Report 2 Dec 2012 16:31

If you Google Burgh by Sands there is plenty of info about the place.

What is it that you wish to find out?

Flip

Flip Report 2 Dec 2012 16:09

Burgh by sands is in the Carlisle registration district, but not seeing a birth for you - where were you actually born and when?