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Thanks Barbara. I'll be visiting the UK early next year so maybe I can try to find John's buriall place ... never know, it might give a clue. Not sure what else I can do.

Yvonne

Death index ???

Deaths Mar 1881
Farrer John 62 Liverpool 8b 196

so c1819 birth

I agree Yvonne, how to prove which is your John isn't going to be easy.


wish there was a marriage for John and Bridget !!

Barbara x

Okay, just checked the 1881 census for John and Louisa. Louisa is shown as widow living at 18 Charles Street (occupation Bird Dealer), so looks as if John died between 1871 and 1881. Not sure how I prove any of it though.

Thanks
Yvonne

??? On 1871 census John is now named Thomas !!!

1871 England Census 1871 England Census
Name: Thomas Farrer
Age: 52
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1819
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Louisa Farrer
Gender: Male
Where born: Padstow, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Liverpool
Ecclesiastical parish: St Simon
Town: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: Islington
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Household schedule number: 113
Piece: 3787
Folio: 121
Page Number: 23
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Farrer 52 --- Bird Dealer
Louisa Farrer 43--wife---b Worcestershire (same as 1861 census)
Thomas Farrer 17 --son Butchers Ass --b Liverpool


Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 3787; Folio: 121; Page: 23; GSU roll: 841895.


I THINK the address says 5 Hanley Steet


Barbara x

I guess Bird Dealer could be some sort of poultry butcher ... but ...

On the 1851 census the John Farrer born in the Isle of Man is lodging at 48 Warren St. Living at 46 Warren Street is Mary Hindle. On an 1874 Farrer wedding picture there is a Polly Hindle with an older man, identified as lifelong friends. Coincidence or ....

Thanks
Yvonne

Hi

I think you are on the right track about Bridget's death --There is this marriage ???

Marriage: 1 Aug 1858 St Paul, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
John Farrer - Full Bird dealer Bachelor of Preston Street
Louisa Walter - (X), Full Spinster of Shawhill Street
Groom's Father: Samuel Farrer, Butcher
Bride's Father: Thos. Walter, Farmer
Witness: Willm. Jones, (X); Alice Stirrup
Married by Banns by: George Read
Register: Marriages 1858 - 1866, Page 17, Entry 34
Source: LDS Film 1656375

(Could the Bird Dealer mean a type of Butcher that deals in Poultry --just a guess)

And he has put Bachelor !! or maybe its been transcibed wrong on Lancs OPC---or maybe he never married Bridget

However I think this John was born Yorkshire acording to 1861 / 71 census !! He is with Louisa and a child Thomas age 7 in 1861 census. in Liverpool.


Barbara x

On Thomas Farrer`s birth certificate the occupation of John (father) is given as butcher, and on the marriage certificate of Thomas, John is also a butcher. This could mean that the John Farrer born in Isle of Man is the correct one.

Yvonne

It`s quite possible that this Bridget is one and the same and that John re-married. I have no idea how I would prove all this. Maybe if I send for the above death certificate it might show the informant as someone other than John, what do you think.

Thanks
Yvonne

?????

Deaths Mar 1855 (>99%)
Farrer Bridget Liverpool 8b 131

I saw that but couldn`t find anything else on the Isle of Man link.

Thanks
Yvonne

in 1851 there is a JOhn Farrer occ butcher lodging in Liverpool - birthplace Isle of Man c 1827

The names are given on Thomas' birth certificate. I talked to Liverpool Records Office and was told that the John Farrer and Bridget Salmon on the same page were not married to each other.

Last night I found a John Farrer b. 1821 in 1861 census. He was a Lodging House Keeper at 59 Peter Street, shown as married and born in Liverpool. On Thomas' birth certificate John and Bridget are shown as living at 71 Peter Street (this was 1853).

Yvonne

" There is a marriage for Bridget on the same page as John but they are not married to each other."

when was this please and what makes you think that it is not the right pairing?

Richard + Mary Ann'e marriage:

Marriage: 8 Jul 1821 St Nicholas, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Richard Farrer - Book Keeper of Parish of Liverpool
Mary Ann Woodruff - Spinster of Parish of Liverpool
Married by Banns by: T. Kidd Curate
Register: Marriages 1821 from the Bishop's Transcripts, Page 12, Entry 87
Source: LDS Film 1068890

Dea x

'A' Richard and Mary Ann did have a John but a little earlier that the date you have given:

Baptisms: 1 Sep 1822 Mount Pleasant Chapel, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
John Farrer - Child of Richard Farrer & Mary Ann (formerly Woodruff)
Born: 31 Jul 1822
Baptised by: Robert Wood
Register: Baptisms 1814 - 1905, Page 5, Entry 97
Source: LDS Film 1595373

This is from Lancs OPC site.

Dea x

P.S. - Also this one:

Baptisms: 7 Mar 1824 Mount Pleasant Chapel, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Richard Farrer - Child of Richard Farrer & Mary Ann (formerly Woodruff)
Born: 29 Jan 1824
Baptised by: C. Kirkpatrick
Register: Baptisms 1814 - 1905, Page 6, Entry 118
Source: LDS Film 1595373

Dea x

In 1841 census there is a Robert Farrer (b 1826) living with a John and Mary Pepper. The Farrer family had family friends by the name of Pepper so I wonder if Robert could be John's brother but I can't find John in 1841 census.

Yvonne

The only reason I think he was born in Liverpool is that his descendents were born in Liverpool. I have the birth cert for son Thomas, which shows the parents as John Farrer (butcher) & Bridget Salmon living in Peter Street, Liverpool. I have searched for John and Bridget but no luck. They don't seem to have married. There is a marriage for Bridget on the same page as John but they are not married to each other.

Yvonne

Details for above marriage so may not be your John if your dates are correct

John Farrar
Age: Full Age
Marriage Date: 11 Feb 1866
Parish: Liverpool St Simon
Spouse's Name: Alice Goffey
Father's Name: Peter Farrar
Spouse Father's Name: James Goffey



John Farrar
Birth abt 1820 in Liverpool Lancashire

Father Peter Farrar


11 Feb 1866
Age: 46
Marriage to Alice Goffey (b 1823)
Liverpool St Simon, Lancashire

Possibly ????

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Marriages Mar 1866

FARRAR John Liverpool 8b 328
GOFFEY Alice Liverpool 8b 328
Nelson Andrew Liverpool 8b 328
WILSON Elizabeth Liverpool 8b 328

Is this him in 1881 ?


name: John Farrer
age: 53
gender: Male
birth year: 1828
birthplace: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
relationship to head of household: Head
marital condition: Married
profession/occupation: Butcher
address: 4 Minshull St 3 Court
census place: West Derby, Lancashire, England


head John Farrer M 53 Liverpool, Lancashire, England
wife Alice Farrer F 56 Liverpool, Lancashire, England
son John D Farrer M 14 Liverpool, Lancashire, England