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James Swales - 1871

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Peter

Peter Report 3 Dec 2012 10:54

Hi there,

I am looking for James Swales in the 1871 census - he was born in Stockton, Durham or Thornaby, Yorkshire in 1842. His wife was Margaret Cooper.

I'm only looking for him in the 1871.

Thank you

Peter

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 3 Dec 2012 11:09

have you found them both on the 1881 census?

Researching:
Surname Fahse. Germany. Essex .South East London My avatar is my hubby's maternal grandmother Harriet and her sister Nellie

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 3 Dec 2012 11:14

When did they marry please ,as not picking any marriage up

Researching:
Surname Fahse. Germany. Essex .South East London My avatar is my hubby's maternal grandmother Harriet and her sister Nellie

Peter

Peter Report 3 Dec 2012 11:15

I BELEIVE in Stokesley in 1861.

Thanks,

Peter

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 3 Dec 2012 11:16

1881 and children born after the 1871 so he would be single on the 1871
1881 census transcription details for: Silver St, Hartlepool

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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG11
Piece: 4907
Folio: 102
Page: 28
Reg. District: Hartlepool
Sub District: Hartlepool
Parish: Hartlepool
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Silver St, Hartlepool
County: Durham
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
SWALES, James Head Married M 39 1842 Hauker
Stockton, Norfolk
SWALES, Margaret Wife Married F 25 1856 Hawker
Caning Hill, Durham
SWALES, Francis Son Single M 4 1877
Yarm, Yorkshire
SWALES, Elizabeth Daughter Single F 2 1879
Middleton, Durham

Researching:
Surname Fahse. Germany. Essex .South East London My avatar is my hubby's maternal grandmother Harriet and her sister Nellie

Andrew

Andrew Report 3 Dec 2012 11:17

For ref only.

Cannot see marriage

1881 England Census
about James Swales
Name: James Swales
Age: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Margaret Swales
Gender: Male
Where born: Stockton

Civil parish: Hartlepool
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street Address: Silver St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Hauker

Registration district: Hartlepool
Sub-registration district: Hartlepool
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4907
Folio: 102
Page Number: 28
Household Members: Name Age
James Swales 39
Margaret Swales 25
Francis Swales 4
Elizabeth Swales 2




Andy

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 3 Dec 2012 11:17

that marriage is possibly to a Margaret Kay
Marriages Sep 1861
Coulson James Stokesley 9d 645
FIDLER Mary Stokesley 9d 645
Kay Margaret Stokesley 9d 645
Swales James Stokesley 9d 645

Researching:
Surname Fahse. Germany. Essex .South East London My avatar is my hubby's maternal grandmother Harriet and her sister Nellie

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 3 Dec 2012 11:19

Did he have a brother William?

1871 census transcription details for: Norby, Thirsk

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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG10
Piece: 4833
Folio: 72
Page: 1
Reg. District: Thirsk
Sub District: Thirsk
Parish: Thirsk
Enum. District: 4
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Norby, Thirsk
County: Yorkshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
SWALES, William Head M 40 1831 Yorkshire occ licensed hawker
SWALES, Mary Ann Wife F 40 1831 Yorkshire
SWALES, William Son M 14 1857 Yorkshire
SWALES, Isabella Daughter F 12 1859 Yorkshire
SWALES, Henry Son M 11 1860 Yorkshire
SWALES, Jane Daughter F 9 1862 Yorkshire
SWALES, Thomas Son M 6 1865 Yorkshire
SWALES, Mary Ann Daughter F 4 1867 Yorkshire
SWALES, James Brother M 27 1844 Yorkshire>>>>>> occ licensed Hawker !!!

Researching:
Surname Fahse. Germany. Essex .South East London My avatar is my hubby's maternal grandmother Harriet and her sister Nellie

Peter

Peter Report 3 Dec 2012 11:20

Thank you for you help here - this research has not been carried out by myself hence, why I am working through it slowly. The work I was sent has not been referenced also.

Ahhhhh.

Can we see James in the 1861?

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 3 Dec 2012 11:34

That 1871 one looks promising because of his occupation which ties with the 1881 info.

How is his wife's maiden name known as theres no marriage to a Margaret Cooper

Researching:
Surname Fahse. Germany. Essex .South East London My avatar is my hubby's maternal grandmother Harriet and her sister Nellie

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 3 Dec 2012 11:37

??? but no brother William
1861 census transcription details for: Ferryhill, Ferryhill


National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG09
Piece: 3698
Folio: 9
Page: 11
Reg. District: Stockton
Sub District: 3 Sedgefield
Parish: Ferryhill
Enum. District: 14F
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Ferryhill, Ferryhill
County: Durham
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
SWALES, Francis Head Married M 44 1817 Pot Hawker
Aycliffe, Durham
SWALES, James Son Unmarried M 21 1840 Pot Hawker
Aycliffe, Durham
SWALES, Jane Daughter F 10 1851 Scholar
Newbottle, Durham
SWALES, Sarah Daughter F 5 1856 Scholar
Newbottle, Durham

Researching:
Surname Fahse. Germany. Essex .South East London My avatar is my hubby's maternal grandmother Harriet and her sister Nellie

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 3 Dec 2012 11:40

now this one has a brother William

1851 census transcription details for:


National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107
Piece: 2381
Folio: 283
Page: 4
Reg. District: Richmond
Sub District: Catterick
Parish:
Enum. District: 2A
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address:
County: Yorkshire (North riding)
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
SWALES, Thomas Head Married M 57 1794 Potter
Middleham, Yorkshire
SWALES, Jane Wife Married F 44 1807 Potter
Barnard Castle, Durham
BURNSIDE, Elizabeth Daughter Married F 22 1829 Potter
Brompton on Swale, Yorkshire
SWALES, William Son Married M 21 1830 Potter
Brompton on Swale, Yorkshire
SWALES, Thomas Son Unmarried M 17 1834 Potter
Brompton on Swale, Yorkshire
SWALES, Robert Son Unmarried M 14 1837 Potter
Brompton on Swale, Yorkshire
SWALES, James Son M 8 1843
Brompton on Swale, Yorkshire
SWALES, George Son M 6 1845
Brompton on Swale, Yorkshire
BURNSIDE, William Son-In-Law Married M 22 1829 Potter
Kirkby Mills, Durham
SWALES, Mary Ann Daughter Married F 20 1831 Potter
Kirkby Mills, Durham
BUSFIELD, Elizabeth Mother Widow F 80 1771 Potter
Blackwell, Durham

Researching:
Surname Fahse. Germany. Essex .South East London My avatar is my hubby's maternal grandmother Harriet and her sister Nellie

Helen

Helen Report 3 Dec 2012 11:42

1871 England Census about James Swales
Name: James Swales
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Dyeleffe, Durham, England
Civil parish: Helmington Row
Ecclesiastical parish: Crook
Town: Wheatbottom
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Registration district: Auckland
Sub-registration district: Bishop Auckland
ED, institution, or vessel: 40
Household schedule number: 149
Piece: 4934
Folio: 40
Page Number: 33

A possible

Researching:
Clay, Dabell, Meadwell, Crowson

Peter

Peter Report 3 Dec 2012 11:48

It is good to see we are not the only ones to get confused with these complicated families - still, piece by piece. If it is ok, I'll look into this in a bit. Need to get some food etc.

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 3 Dec 2012 12:09

Peter........

When you say..........The work i was sent.......and.......These complicated families......

Who's family is it??

Researching:
If i don't see through the week............I will see you through the window.

Peter

Peter Report 3 Dec 2012 23:48

My own family - a cousin of my ancestor. And the info was sent from a cousin doing wider research. Why?

Madmeg

Madmeg Report 4 Dec 2012 00:01

Why do you think he married Margaret Cooper? Do you have a certificate to prove this?

Margaret

Peter

Peter Report 4 Dec 2012 01:28

As I say, it was sent from notes sent by another researcher. I don't know why. I assume they have made a mistake.

Peter

Madmeg

Madmeg Report 4 Dec 2012 02:22

So what we need now, Peter, is the birth certificate of the most relevant child of James and Margaret. I assume your relative has worked backwards from known information, so there should be a child who is know to be his grandparent or great granparent.

Do you have the name of that child? And an approximate (or exact) date of birth?

Margaret

Peter

Peter Report 11 Dec 2012 20:58

I will get back to this but just manic busy with work at the minute.

Peter