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Hi,
Thanks for the info. I think he must have been a lot older than Elizabeth. I found a really good site, Free Reg which gave me a lot of BMDs info on St Peter & St Pauls Church Wincanton. I found a marriage of a John Humphries 1833 to an Eliza Bailey, and then a death of an Eliza before 1863. That's when John Married Elizabeth White. I found about 15 children born to him!
I think the death of John 1870 is right as he's not on the 1871 census. I found a baptism of a John 25th Dec 1816 parents were John Humphries and Mary nee Napen. Often they waited a few years before baptising the children, and 3 of their children were all baptised on the same day as a job lot!
Thanks for everyone's help,
Chris.

Thanks MC.

Wonder if this is her husband's death ( he would have been a lot older than her )

Deaths Jun 1870
Humphries John- 64 - Wincanton 5c 375

She was a widow, and listed as a pauper.

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Hi Mike,
On the "looking for ancestors" message board you let me have 1881 census for Eliza/Elizabeth Humphries b.1836 (widow,)
John b. 1864,
Elizabeth b.1868
Mary b. 1869
I wondered if you have access to earlier census as I want to see who her late husband was. I think he may have been John, and any other children they had.
The census would have been in Somerset, Wincanton area.
Thanks,
Chris.

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Found this entry on familysearch but can't access the details.

Can anyone else fill in the marriage status of Elizabeth please ?


1871

self Elizabeth Humphries F 36 Wincanton, Somerset
son John Humphries M 6 Wincanton, Somerset
daughter Matilda Ann Humphries F 5 Wincanton, Somerset
daughter Bessy Humphries F 3 Wincanton, Somerset
daughter Mary Jane Humphries F 1 Wincanton, Somerset

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possible marriage

Marriages Sep 1863
HUMPHRIES John - Wincanton 5c 867
WHITE Elizabeth - Wincanton 5c 867

Ok. I will sort that out for him. That will confirm Beatrice's parents.

Christina, I'd strongly recommend getting some certificates to ensure accuracy on the Humphries line.

Thanks. I think I will try to trace the Humphries for him too. I only have John 1864(married to Susan Rumbold/Rumble) and maybe his parents,( John and Emma White married 1863 Wincanton) the dates seem to fit for them.

Christina, there's quite a bit of info to take in!

If I find anything else will post.

I have just started to make a tree for him, but I think it will take me a while. I have emailed all this on to him.

Came across this, honestly can't say if it's "our" William:

Dorset, England, Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812

Name: William Rumbold
Event Type: Baptism
Event Date: 29 Jan 1809
Parish: Corfe Mullen
Father's Name: Edward Rumbold
Mother's Name: Hannah Rumbold

Born 27 December 1808

If (and it's only IF) that birth is right then this may be the parent's marriage:

Dorset, England, Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812
Name: Edward Rumbald
Event Type: Banns (Bann)
Event Date: 16 Sep 1779 (NO! The other pages are 1804/5)
Parish: Corfe Mullen
Spouse's Name: Hannah Harbin

Looks like the 1841 for the family:

ROBBINS, Edward M 25 1816 Dorset
ROBBINS, Elizabeth F 20 1821 Dorset
RUMBLE, William M 25 1816 Dorset Ag Lab
RUMBLE, Susana F 25 1816 Dorset
RUMBLE, James M 4 1837 Dorset
RUMBLE, Fanny F 3 1838 Dorset
RUMBLE, Robert M 1 1840 Dorset

Piece: 289 Book/Folio: 7/19 Page: 17
Registration District: Wimborne & Cranborne
Civil Parish: Sturminster Marshall

Address: King Street, Sturminster Marshall County: Dorsetshire

A contender for Robert's parent's marriage:

Dorset, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1921

Name: William Rumbet (Rumbel on the page)
Marriage or Bann Date: 14 Jun 1836
Parish: Sturminster Marshall
Spouse's Name: Susanna Flippand

Witnesses: Ann Fleppent and Joseph Legg

The name on the original of this 1851 is written as Rumbel:

BUMBEL, William Head Married M 46 1805 Ag Lab Corfe Mullen, Dorset
BUMBEL, Susan Wife Married F 46 1805 Sturminster Marshall, Dorset
BUMBEL, James Son Unmarried M 16 1835 Ag Lab Sturminster Marshall, Dorset
BUMBEL, Fanny Daughter F 12 1839 Scholar Sturminster Marshall, Dorset
BUMBEL, Robert Son M 10 1841 Scholar Sturminster Marshall, Dorset
BUMBEL, William Son M 8 1843 Scholar Sturminster Marshall, Dorset
BUMBEL, George Son M 5 1846 Scholar Sturminster Marshall, Dorset

Piece: 1854 Folio: 583 Page: 18
Registration District: Wimborne
Civil Parish: Sturminster Marshall

Address: Church Street, Sturminster Marshall County: Dorsetshire

Alternate spelling for Robert in 1861:

RUMBALL, William Head Married M 52 1809 Agricultural Labourer Corfe Mullen, Dorset
RUMBALL, Susanna Wife Married F 54 1807 Agricultural Labourer Wife Sturminster Marshall, Dorset
RUMBALL, Fanny Daughter Unmarried F 22 1839 General Servant Lytchett Minster, Dorset
RUMBALL, Robert Son Unmarried M 19 1842 Agricultural Labourer Sturminster Marshall, Dorset
RUMBALL, William Son Unmarried M 18 1843 Agricultural Labourer Sturminster Marshall, Dorset
RUMBALL, George Son Unmarried M 14 1847 Agricultural Labourer Sturminster Marshall, Dorset

Piece: 1338 Folio: 125 Page: 18
Registration District: Wimborne
Civil Parish: Sturminster Marshall

Address: High Street, Sturminster Marshall County: Dorsetshire

There only seems to be one Susan Rumble in Somerset according to the 1881 census so am hoping this next item is about her:

The Western Gazette 20 July 1883 reported on a Flower & Livestock show promoted by the Wincanton Church Sunday school for its scholars. A Susan Rumble won a commendation in the best doe rabbit category.

I love the bit from the Western Gazette!

Just spoken to Beatrices son, who is now in his 70's and he seems to recall the name Rumble from his youth! As you say it may have been misheard.
Am printing all this so will have to sort it out. Thanks there's a lot of info here.

On 1881 census there's John aged 16 who I think was Beatrice's Father, and his mother Elizabeth aged 45 and a widow. I found a marriage of a John Humphries to an Elizabeth White in 1863 Wincanton. These must be Beatrices Grandparents I think.

In the Western Gazette of 1 October 1875 a Robert Rumble of Wincanton was fined 5s (inc costs) for not sending his children to school. (He was fined 2s 6d for the same thing in 1880)

Western Gazette, 2 July 1880 - Emma Rumble, wife of Robert of Wincanton, was fined 5s 6d for beating Wm Ashworth (11) with a stick. She admitted the offence but claimed he had called her names and was very saucy.

The Bath Chronicle and Weekly Gazette dated 4 August 1887 carried a report about the Somerset Industrial School for Boys. In it there is mention of a Robert Rumble who won a prize for "careful work throughout the year". (Possibly the son of Robert & Emma born 1876?)

Normally we expect a marriage to be near the bride's birthplace but I wouldn't dismiss this for Susan's parents (would need further checking)

Dorset, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1921

Name: Robert Rumble - bachelor
Bann Date: 16, 23 & 30 Aug 1863
Parish: Blandford Forum
Spouse's Name: Emma Baily - spinster

Both resident in the parish.

This is a banns record, can't locate an actual marriage.

This looks like George in 1891
Name: George Rumble
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Relation: Grandson
Gender: Male
Where born: Wincanton, Somerset, England
Civil parish: Wincanton
Ecclesiastical parish: Wincanton
Town: Wincanton
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England

Name: John Warren
[John Rumble]
Age: 51
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Jane Warren
[Emma Warren]
Gender: Male
Where born: Wincanton, Somerset, England
Civil parish: Wincanton
Ecclesiastical parish: Wincanton
Town: Wincanton
County/Island: Somerset

Name: Jane Warren
[Jane Rumble]
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John Warren
Gender: Female
Where born: Exeter, Devon, England
Civil parish: Wincanton

Name: Walter Coombs
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Relation: Nephew
Gender: Male
Where born: Wincanton, Somerset, England

Name: Emma Warren
[Emma Rumble]
Age: 53
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John Warren
Gender: Female
Where born: Wincanton, Somerset, England
Civil parish: Wincanton