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Angelina

Angelina Report 4 Dec 2012 15:51

I'm looking for any information about Kate and Annie McCarthy who were sisters. I know that Kate lived in Jamaica Road Dockhead Bermondsey in 1907 but can't find her on the 1911 census so she could have been married in between or may even have died. I've tried searching previous census but because I have very little information I'm finding it difficult. I know that Annie moved to Australia and was living there in 1907 in Port Adelaide and that she married someone with the surname Pereira. I'm not sure if Kate and Annie were actually nick names. I know they were related to my family but I'm just not sure how.

Astra

Astra Report 4 Dec 2012 15:56

May be linked but no details given

Name: Annie Pereira
Death Date: 8 May 1927
Death Place: South Australia
Registration Year: 1926-1930
Registration Place: South Australia
Page Number: 91
Volume Number: 495

Angelina

Angelina Report 4 Dec 2012 15:59

Hi there

Thanks for your help, hopefully this might get me somewhere

Angelina

MillymollyAmanda

MillymollyAmanda Report 4 Dec 2012 15:59

1911 ?

Name: Kate McCarthy
Age in 1911: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1892
Relation to Head: Occupier (Occupant)
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Bermondsey, Surrey, England
Civil parish: Bermondsey
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 33 Paulin St, Bermondsey S E
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: FACTORY HAND
Registration district: St Olave (Bermondsey)
Registration District Number: 24
Sub-registration district: Bermondsey
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Piece: 1878
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Norman 27
Harriat Norman 28
Thomas Norman 5
William Norman 2
Mary McCarthy 21
Kate McCarthy 19
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Angelina

Angelina Report 4 Dec 2012 16:04

Thank you also for this information! I think I need to track back on this Kate McCarthy. I guess she must have been born around 1892, I If I go back further in the census records I might find her with an Annie McCarthy and maybe even their parents! Thank you all very much for your help!

Astra

Astra Report 4 Dec 2012 16:16

There is a marriage in 1910 between William Robert Walters and a Kate mcCarthy.
In the 1911 census he is with his widowed mother. He is noted as married under one year but there is no sign of Kate.

Her father is noted as Timothy Augustin McCarthy deceased book binder

Angelina

Angelina Report 4 Dec 2012 16:17

Hi
Thanks for your help. I'm not sure if this is the correct Kate but I'll keep searching. :-)

alviegal

alviegal Report 4 Dec 2012 17:13

This is the death that Astra found.

1927 495/91 PEREIRA Annie Manuel PEREIRA [DH] Norwood

EDIT No this lady was Anne Quinlan. At least you can rule her out. They married in Port Adelaide in 1885 which is way too early.


1885 144/499 PEIREIRA Manuel QUINLAN Anne Port Adelaide


From http://www.genealogysa.org.au

alviegal

alviegal Report 4 Dec 2012 17:37

Oh, but hold on a minute. Look at this.

Have you no idea about when they were born?


Australia Marriage Index, 1788-1950 about Anne Quinlan
Name: Anne Quinlan
>>Father's Name: Bryan Mccarthy
Spouse Name: Manuel Peireira
Spouse's Father's Name: Mariano Peireira
Marriage Date: 9 Aug 1885
Marriage Place: Port Adelaide
Registration Place: Port Adelaide, South Australia
Page Number: 499
Volume Number: 144

alviegal

alviegal Report 4 Dec 2012 17:56

??

parents: Bryan Mccarthy
spouse: Charles Quinland

groom's name: Charles Quinland
bride's name: Ann Mccarthy
bride's birth date: 1845
bride's age: 18
marriage date: 25 May 1863
marriage place: St. Botolph Aldgate, London, England
groom's father's name: Michael Quinland
bride's father's name: Bryan Mccarthy
indexing project (batch) number: M01660-8
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 94680



London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Ann McCarthy
Name: Ann McCarthy
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Age: 18
Spouse Name: Charles Quinland, mariner of full age
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 25 May 1863
Parish: St Botolph, Aldgate
Borough: City of London
Father Name: Bryan McCarthy, horseman
Spouse Father Name: Michael Quinland, dead


Charles signed his name Quinlan. Witnesses were John Murphy and ? Scully.
Register Type: Parish Register

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 4 Dec 2012 18:45

Chronicle (Adelaide, SA : 1895 - 1954) Saturday 10 May 1902 p 27 Article

(could be her on below link, newspapers)


http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/search?adv=y

Chris :)

Mike *

Mike * Report 4 Dec 2012 18:46

Could have done with some idea of dates.

Are we saying that the Annie you are looking for was born 1845 and Kate was her sister ?

How do you know Kate was living at Jamaica Road in 1907 ?
How old was she then ?

alviegal

alviegal Report 4 Dec 2012 22:23

???

1851 census transcription details for: 26, Griffiths Rents, Saint John, Southwark
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107
Piece: 1559
Folio: 569
Page: 49
Reg. District: Saint Olave Southwark
Sub District: Saint John
Parish: Saint John
Enum. District: 10
Ecclesiastical District: Saint Marks
City/Municipal Borough: Southwark
Address: 26, Griffiths Rents, Saint John, Southwark
County: Surrey
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
MCCARTHY, Brian Head Married M 34 1817 Labourer
Ireland
MCCARTHY, Ellen A Wife Married F 31 1820 Labouring In Warehouse
Ireland
??MCCARTHY, Honora Daughter F 6 1845
Bermondsey, Surrey
MCCARTHY, Denis Son M 3 1848
Bermondsey, Surrey
MCCARTHY, Mary Daughter F 1 1850
Bermondsey, Surrey




1861 census transcription details for: 5, College Street, Saint John Horsleydown, Southwark
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG09
Piece: 318
Folio: 86
Page: 22
Reg. District: St Olave Southwark
Sub District: 2 St John Horsleydown
Parish: Saint John Horsleydown
Enum. District: 7
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough: Southwark
Address: 5, College Street, Saint John Horsleydown, Southwark
County: London, Surrey
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
MC CARTHY, Brin Head Married M 43 1818 Wharf Labourer
Ireland
MC CARTHY, Ellen Wife Married F 41 1820
Ireland
???MC CARTHY, Honora Daughter F 16 1845 Bookfolder
St Saviour Southwark, Surrey
MC CARTHY, Denis Son M 14 1847 Scholar
St Saviour Southwark, Surrey
MC CARTHY, Mary Daughter F 10 1851 Scholar
St Johns Southwark, Surrey
>>MC CARTHY, Catherine Daughter F 8 1853 Scholar
St Johns Southwark, Surrey
MC CARTHY, Bridget Daughter F 5 1856 Scholar
St Johns Southwark, Surrey
MC CARTHY, Johanna Daughter F 2 1859
St Johns Southwark, Surrey


1871 census transcription details for: College Street, St John
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG10
Piece: 626
Folio: 80
Page: 12
Reg. District: St Olave Southwark
Sub District: St John
Parish: St John
Enum. District: 7
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: College Street, St John
County: London, Surrey
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
MCCARTHY, Bryan Head M 52 1819 Ireland
MCCARTHY, Ellen Wife F 50 1821 Ireland
MCCARTHY, Denis Son M 23 1848 Surrey
MCCARTHY, Mary Daughter bookfolder F 20 1851 Surrey
>>MCCARTHY, Catharine Daughter bookfolder F 17 1854 Surrey
MCCARTHY, Bridget Daughter F 15 1856 Surrey
MCCARTHY, Johanna Daughter F 12 1859 Surrey
O CONNELL, William Boarder M 20 1851 Yorkshire




1881 census transcription details for: 5, College St, Horsleydown
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG11
Piece: 557
Folio: 75
Page: 25
Reg. District: St Olave Southwark
Sub District: St John Horsleydown
Parish: Horsleydown
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 5, College St, Horsleydown
County: London, Surrey
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
MC CARTHY, Bryan Head Married M 61 1820 Waterside Labourer
Ireland
MC CARTHY, Ellen Wife Married F 61 1820
Ireland
>.MC CARTHY, Catherine Daughter Single F 27 1854 Book Folder
Bermondsey, Surrey
MC CARTHY, Bridget Daughter Single F 24 1857 Tailoress
Bermondsey, Surrey
MC CARTHY, Johanna Daughter Single F 21 1860 School Teacher
Bermondsey, Surrey

alviegal

alviegal Report 4 Dec 2012 22:25

Now look at Catherine (Kate?) in 1901.

1901 census transcription details for: 17, Jamaica Road, Bermondsey
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13
Piece: 392
Folio: 11
Page: 14
Reg. District: St Olave Southwark
Sub District: Bermondsey
Parish: Bermondsey
Enum. District: 30
Ecclesiastical District: St Jame's
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 17, Jamaica Road, Bermondsey
County: London
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
MCCARTHY, Catherine Single F 46 1855 Book Folder
Bermondsey, London

Angelina

Angelina Report 5 Dec 2012 08:22

Oh my goodness, thank you all so much for your help! "Alviegal" I think you've cracked it!!! I knew we had a "Catherine" but I didn't think that she was Kate as I could find no record of Annie being a sister. Bryan McCarthy born in 1818 and Ellen Burk nee McCarthy are my Great Great Great Grandparents and Catherine was their daughter. In 1845 I have Hanora their daughter being born but don't have a record of Annie. Bryan always worked at Hays and Cottons Wharf and I don't think he was ever a Horseman, however I know records are sometimes not quite right so maybe they've thought it said horseman rather than Wharf Labourer. However looking at Catherine going through the years Annie must be the daughter of Bryan and Ellen as well. Could Annie be a nick name for Hanora? This would be why I have never been able to find out what happened to her!
The reason I have been searching for so long is because my Auntie has a little book which says to my sister Kate McCarthy from your loving sister Annie PEREIRA and the address was to 17 Jamaica Road from Port Adelaide :-) I had not dates at all just that the date written on the book to Kate was in 1907. I can't believe that you all managed to find so much information based on what I gave you! Thank you so so so so so much! My Auntie will be so thrilled. It's so nice that there are people out there so willing to help.
Angelina

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 5 Dec 2012 08:56

1911 (still there)
MCCUTHY, Catherine Single F 57 1854 Bookfolder Parish of St Olives
RG number: RG14
Piece: 1905
Reference: RG14PN1905 RG78PN67 RD24 SD2 ED37 SN101
Registration District: St Olave (Bermondsey)
Sub District: Bermondsey
Enumeration District: 37
Parish: Bermondsey
Address: 17 Jamaica Road Bermondsey
County: London

Chris :)

Angelina

Angelina Report 5 Dec 2012 09:22

Thanks Chris! I would never have looked under McCuthy! That must have taken you ages to find! so so appreciated! It looks like she must have been single her whole life bless her.
Thanks again! :-)

alviegal

alviegal Report 5 Dec 2012 13:00

Hi Angelina,

Well, I didn't expect to find the ladies you were looking for but, thank goodness Annie married men with unusual surnames!!
I have no idea if Honora is Annie or not but the year of birth does match. Perhaps Annie is a middle name?

But then there is this. Perhaps this is thinking rather too deep, though.

Annora \a-nno-ra\ as a girl's name is pronounced an-NOR-ah. It is of Latin origin, and the meaning of Annora is "honor". English variant and phonetic version of Honora.

Annora has 7 variant forms: Anora, Anorah, Honor, Honora, Onora, Nora and Norah.

For more information, see also the related name Ann.
Read more at http://www.thinkbabynames.com/meaning/0/Annora#6JIXOuDDkq4eRhil.99


As for Bryan being a horseman, looking at the image again, it might read storeman. Perhaps someone else could give their view?

So glad we managed to crack this one, it has been fun.

Best wishes, Liz
<3

PS I also have Pereiras in my family, originally of Portuguese descent living in Goa.

Angelina

Angelina Report 5 Dec 2012 14:41

Hi Liz

That's very interesting about the names. I've never been sure if it say Hanora or Honora but I'm thinking it's Hanora and they've called her Anne or Annie as a nick name. However Anne or Annie being the middle name does also sound a possibility. I'm going to have to hunt down a birth certificate for her. I have the page and volume number so I must do that now! I could never find any details about her but if she was called by a different name that makes much more sense!

Ahh maybe Bryan was a Storeman, that makes sense as he was working on the Docks. I did a lot of research on Bryan as I wanted to know more about where he's from. The unfortunate thing is, he was born in 1818 Ireland and all I know is that it was a parish near Killarney and it was within East Muskerry. I did try the Irish website as they were meant to have put on most of Cork's parish records however he isn't on there. I did try a few researchers that are in Ireland but as I can't provide an actual Parish they can't really help as there are about 26 Parishes of them and it could be any!

You know they say it's a small world, maybe your Pereiras are related to mine! :-)

Thanks so much again Liz it really is appreciated and my Auntie is going to be thrilled!
<3