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Brick Wall - Hudson Deaths

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Ian Report 5 Dec 2012 19:09


For some years I have been trying to establish the deaths of my GG Grandparents - Samuel & Ann Hudson.

Samuel was born Lichfield, Staffs 1842.
Ann (Gray) was born 1850 Hertford, Herts. They married 1865 in Kirkheaton, Huddersfield (Ann, aged 15 lied about her age).

They moved around as Samuel was a Railway Labourer/Navvy :

1871 - Blackburn, Lancs
1881 - Habergham Eaves, Burnley, Lancs
1891 - Horwich, Lancs
1901 - Burnley, Lancs
1911 - Bolton, Lancs

I have purchased a number of Death Certificates but none match my GG Grandparents.

Ann HUDSON 1912 DEATH 65 Salford, Manchester
Ann HUDSON 1920 DEATH 71 Padiham, Lancs
Ann HUDSON 1920 DEATH 72 Bury, Lancs
Ann HUDSON 1922 DEATH 73 Blackburn, Lancs
Ann HUDSON 1926 DEATH 76 Stockport, Lancs
Ann HUDSON 1927 DEATH 81 Burnley, Lancs

Samuel HUDSON 1928 DEATH 73 Burnley, Lancs
Samuel HUDSON 1931 DEATH 82 Manchester North

As this is proving to be a little expensive has anybody an idea of how I can move forward to find their deaths without having to purchase dozens of Certificates?



alviegal Report 5 Dec 2012 20:37

According to the 1911 census, they only had 2 children still living out of 10.


Ian Report 5 Dec 2012 20:40

No divorce - in 1911 they were 68/64 and been married 45 years, so I don't think that is relevant.


Ian Report 5 Dec 2012 20:44

Yes alviegal - I have all the children born and died.
The only 2 surviving were my G Grandmother Eliza (Craven) and her Sister Emma (Cregg).


MarieCeleste Report 5 Dec 2012 20:45

Where did divorce come into it?


WayneTracey Report 5 Dec 2012 20:47

What makes you think they stayed in the area?

If he had accommodation with his job, there's a good chance he had to leave that (and possibly the area) if he retired.... Do you know if he appeared on any ER's? (if he didn't own any property then possibly not)

Have you considered looking at death entries in local newspapers? It's possible there might be something there....

I personally know your frustration,.... i also have an elusive in my partners family (also a GG Grandparent) she was a bit of a dodgy lass, and from Lancashire... no idea where she went too, and i've also bought loads of certs :-/

T x


 Sue In Yorkshire.

Sue In Yorkshire. Report 5 Dec 2012 20:50

These are only possibles

There is 1 in Bootle

Deaths Sep 1918 (>99%)

Hudson Samuel 75 Bootle 10b 816

This one is off FREEBMD

Which makes this born 1843.

Civil registration event: Death

Name: HUDSON, Samuel
Registration district: [?] Bootle (Cumberland)
County: Cumberland
Year of registration: 1918
Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at death:75
Volume no: 10B
Page no: 816

Same on off FMP.Notice Bootle Cumberland in brackets.

For Ann,,


Deaths Mar 1926 (>99%)

Hudson Ann 76 Stockport 8a 87

born 1850

same on FMP

Civil Registration event: Death
Print Close Name: HUDSON, Ann
Registration district: Stockport
County: Cheshire
Year of registration: 1926
Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at death: 76
Volume no: 8A
Page no: 87

These are only possibles but you could always ring the GRO and give the details and ask who the informant was before you buy it..

Good Luck


KathleenBell Report 5 Dec 2012 20:53

How about this possibility for Samuel:-

Name: HUDSON, Samuel
Registration district: Bootle (Cumberland)
County: Cumberland
Year of registration: 1918
Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at death: 75
Volume no: 10B
Page no: 816

Kath. x


Christine Report 5 Dec 2012 20:54

(Where did divorce come into it?)

I think Ian misunderstood "if father was d'ced on a cert".

I think Jan meant deceased?


Ian Report 5 Dec 2012 20:59

Santa Sue,

Already have Ann died 1926 Stockport
Samuel died 1918 Cumbria is probably Samuel born 1843 Westmorland


Ian Report 5 Dec 2012 21:02


Daughter Emma (married 1898) does not show Father as Deceased.
He was still alive in 1911.
Daughter Eliza, my G Grandmother, does not appear to have been 'legally married' - extensive research (including Professional help) has found no marriage. She died in 1907 and her death certificate shows 'wife of George Craven'


Ian Report 5 Dec 2012 21:12

A thought!

I believe that that they probably finished their days in the Bolton/Horwich area and it is highly likely that as he was a railway worker he was employed at the Horwich Railway Works.

Coming from the Brickworks area of Staffordshire I believe he was employed building bridges, stations and tunnels. This would tie in nicely with the building of the new Railway Works in Horwich at that time (between the last 2 Censuses).

Any idea as to whether this would help my research ??


JannieAnnie Report 5 Dec 2012 22:18

I expect as you have information relating to the Bolton/Horwich area already you will have this website


Ian Report 5 Dec 2012 23:25


Thanks - tried that already.

 Sue In Yorkshire.

Sue In Yorkshire. Report 6 Dec 2012 00:02


If you have the marriage cert for Ann and Samuel.
Could you please let us know what her father's name and his occupation also Ann's occupation and how old she was on the marriage cert.

I have found my NBI 3 edition so will have a look on that to see if I can see their burials tomorrow afternoon.


Ian Report 6 Dec 2012 09:20

Ann's Marriage:

27 August 1865
Kirkheaton, Huddersfield, Yorks
Ann was shown as 17 years old (she was 15) illiterate
Married Samuel HUDSON (Bachelor) age 22 years
Fathers: John HUDSON & Thomas GREY (illiterate) both Labourers.
Witnesses: Charles & Ann Shaw (both illiterate)

Ann's Birth:

10 February 1850
Butcherley Green (Birchley Green), St John, Hertford, Herts
Mother Sarah GRAY (formerly HARVEY) - illiterate
Father Thomas GRAY (Labourer)
Registered 22 February 1850.

Her Father died 1891 Habergham Eaves Burnley

 Sue In Yorkshire.

Sue In Yorkshire. Report 6 Dec 2012 11:03


 Sue In Yorkshire.

Sue In Yorkshire. Report 6 Dec 2012 21:03

This is for Ann's Father Thomas Gray..

Burial: 30 Dec 1891 Burnley Cemetery, Burnley, Lancashire, England
Thomas Gray -
Age: 72yrs
Abode: Stoops St
Grave: A8819
Notes: Buried in a Public Grave
Register: Burials 1890 - 1895, Page 110, Entry 39988
Source: Original Registers Book 6

Sorry I can't find Samuel or Ann's death.

Got this from Lancashore Parish clerks.


Ian Report 6 Dec 2012 22:03

Many thanks.
Just have to keep searching and hope to find the proverbial 'needle in haystack'.