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I would like to find out more about William and his ancestors. He married Nellie Euesden in 1915 at Islington and I believe his parents were Charles J Astell and Emily Smedley. I have his marriage certificate which states that Charles was his father and Charles W was his witness .I guess that Charles W was his brother. The family moved from Sheffield to London. William went to war in 1915 and apparently returned to the UK in March 1919.
Many thanks,
Pat

Does this tie in with the military info you have?

British Army WWI Service Records, 1914-1920
Name: William Astell
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1892
Age at enlistment: 22
Birth Parish: Attclift
Birth County: Yorkshire
Document Year: 1914
Regimental Number: 16600
Regiment Name: Army Service Corps
Number of images: 33

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Marriages Dec 1878 (>99%)
Astell Charles Bethnal Green 1c 684
SMEDLEY Emily Bethnal Green 1c 684

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1881 census -

ASTELL, Charles Head Married M 24 1857 Engineer St Andrews, Middlesex VIEW
ASTELL, Emily Wife Married F 21 1860 St Andrews, Middlesex VIEW
ASTELL, Charles Son Single M 0 1881 St Andrews, Middlesex VIEW
LEACH, Emma Lodger Widow F 45 1836 Dressmaker VIEW

Piece: 358
Folio: 114
Page: 2
Registration District: Holborn
Civil Parish: Clerkenwell
Municipal Borough:
Address: 19, Whiskin St, Clerkenwell
County: London, Middlesex

Have you got his birth certificate?
Births Jun 1892
Astell William Sheffield 9c 603

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1891 census -

ASTELL, Charles J Head Married M 34 1857 Engine Tenter London VIEW
ASTELL, Emily Wife Married F 31 1860 London VIEW
ASTELL, Charles W Son M 10 1881 London VIEW
ASTELL, Rosina Daughter F 9 1882 London VIEW
ASTELL, Sarah Daughter F 7 1884 Sheffield VIEW
ASTELL, Emma Daughter F 4 1887 London VIEW
ASTELL, John E Son M 1 1890 Sheffield VIEW

Piece: 3830
Folio: 99
Page: 13
Registration District: Sheffield
Civil Parish: Brightside Bierlow
Municipal Borough: Sheffield
Address: 19, Apple Street, Brightside Bierlow, Sheffield
County: Yorkshire (West Riding)

Rosina also born Sheffield?
Births Jun 1882
Astell Rosina Sheffield 9c 450

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Person: ASTELL, Emma

Institution: King Edward Industrial School For Girls, Andrews Road Hackney N E
Cost


Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation
Disability Where born Image
ASTELL, Emma F 14 1887 Scholar St Pancras, London VIEW

Piece: 228
Folio: 176
Page: 2
Registration District: Hackney
Civil Parish: Hackney
Municipal Borough:
Address: Hackney
County: London

Have you got his birth certificate, his parents' marriage certificate, and any census entries (to save us duplicating information)?
Thank-you

Marked as answered but no comments on what we found or answers to questions?

I do believe we are talking about the same family. I do have Williams marriage certificate but not his birth certificate. His residence at the time of his marriage was Viables Camp Basingstoke and he was a Sergeant in the AS Corps. His father Charles's occupation is recorded as a mechanical engineer.

Thanks, Patrice.

Have you tried Search All Trees under the Search button above?

You can put the names of the family in and see if anyone else has them.

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I would suggest that you delete the automatic message about looking at their tree. Most members will not open their trees to you until a connection has been established so just type your own message about who you think you may have in common.

pm received:

I have a copy of Williams certificate of employment during the war which is faded and also his certificate of transfer to reserve . His regt no is 016600 ASC enlisted 1/9/14

.. so the same as posted above. On that record it confirms what Patrice has already stated.

Have you found him in the 1901 and 1911 censuses?
Thanks

Is this Emily's death?
Deaths Jun 1942
Astell Emily M 82 Islington 1b 121

1911 census for Rosina and John Edmond -

MAYBURY, Harry Head Married8 years M 31 1880 Steel Warehouseman Sheffield Yorks
MAYBURY, Rosina Wife Married F 29 1882 Sheffield Yorks
MAYBURY, George Son Single M 7 1904 Sheffield Yorks
MAYBURY, Elsie Daughter F 4 1907 Sheffield Yorks
MAYBURY, Rosina Daughter F 3 1908 Sheffield Yorks
MAYBURY, Winifred Daughter F 0 (2 MONTHS) 1911 Sheffield Yorks
ASTELL, John Edmond Brother In Law M 21 1890 Bakcer In Rolling Mill Sheffield Yorks

RG number: RG14
Piece: 28001
Reference: RG14PN28001 RG78PN1600 RD510 SD7 ED13 SN171
Registration District: Sheffield
Sub District: Attercliffe
Enumeration District: 13
Parish: Sheffield
Address: 4 Bessemer Place Attercliffe Sheffield
County: Yorkshire (West riding)


5 children born, 1 died

Thank you all for your replies and advice.
Lynski I have found the Maybury connection and think that possibly Rosina's 5th child was Emma who was born 1905 Jun qtr 9c 692 and died 1905 July qtr 9c 396. The 5th child had died before the 1911 census.
Did Rosina 1908 and Winnfred marry the Gasgoine brothers?

Patchem I cannot find William at all in either the 1901 or 1911 census.

Hi Patrice - it's easy enough to find out who Rosina 1908 married, just look on FreeBMD http://www.freebmd.org.uk

Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page
Marriages Jun 1930
Gascoigne George S Maybury Sheffield 9c 1084
Maybury Rosina Gascoigne Sheffield 9c 1084

Thanks MarieCeleste. I did have Winifred married to Thomas H Gascoigne but do not know which children belong to Rosina and Winifred- George 1931 Ecclesall Bierlow 9c 626 ? Rosina
Clifford 1932 Sheffield 9c 959 ? Rosina
Sheila R 1935 Sheffield 9c 762 ? Rosina
Harold 1933 Sheffield 9c 879 ? Winifred
Sylvia 1937 Sheffield 9c 722 ? Winifred

Looking at William's Military Record it states that his father was

James William Astell.......strange!


This has been crossed out when he married Nellie....

I have not seen William's military record just his certificate of employment and transfer certificate which does not have his next of kins name. However, on William's marriage certificate to Nellie it clearly shows his father as Charles Astell and his witness as C.W. Astell. Perhaps the name should read Charles James William Astell. It is strange!