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Thank you Reggie,

I did not realise i could view the incoming passenger lists, i will take alook now.

The problem is if he did emigrate he may not have returned.

Thank you and best wishes

I wonder if this is his marriage?


Marriages Dec 1902
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Carter Matthias Ulverston 8e 1400


I cant see him on the outgoing shipping records

Sorry Gins i should have added what may have been his marriage details.

1902 Dalton in Furness

Mary Jane Grenfell dob 1870 Dalton in Furness.

Mary appears to be on the 1911 census in Barrow in Furness still married.

Thak you for you reply

Best wishes
Maurice.

Just to confirm that marriage is him


England & Wales Marriages, 1538-1940
Name: Matthias Carter
Gender: Male
Birth Date: abt 1878
Age: 24
Father's Name: John Sewell Carter
Spouse's Name: Mary Jane Grenfell
Spouse's Age: 32
Spouse's Father's Name: James Grenfell
Marriage Date: 31 Dec 1902
Marriage Place: Dalton In Furness, Lancashire, England

Yes i believe that is his marriage Gins

Best wishes
Maurice.

Maurice

Is this your tree at Ancestry?


John Joel Carter
Kidd Family Tree
Birth: Abt 1849 - Cornwall, England
Marriage: 25 December 1872 (25 Dec 1872)
Death: 1890 - South Africa
Parents: Francis Carter, Catherine
Spouse: Mary Jane James

Hi Gins,

No this is not my tree.

I am in touch with a descendant from the Kidd family but not from ancestry.

Mary Jane James is my great grandmother Maria James sister.

Ihave seen this tree but it does not help.
Thanks
Maurice

So, if that tree is correct about his fathers death, maybe Matthias took off to SA?

I am right in saying that his mother was living with another man (Henry) in 1901?

It is possible Gins but his family were very religious and it is doubtful he was welcomed with open arms.

I will have to check my tree as i have a death year for John Jewell Carter in South Africa. As for the 1901 census i will check that as well.
Please bear with me i will be back.

Maurice.

Hi Gins,

In 1901 his mother was living in Dalton in Furness with a son John H Carter dob 1874 Helston Cornwall
Daughter Louisa dob 1888 Barrow in Furness

A newspaper report of John H Carters funeral mentions his father John Jewell Carter as having died in South Africa.but does not give a year of death.

I believe from a relative it may have been abt 1902.

Best wishes
Maurice.

For background:
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1272709

The tree on Ancestry that has him as John Joel Carter has year of death as 1890 in SA. Not sure if that's correct as the 1891 census has his wife Mary as married, not widowed.

Also, records show she was Mary JANE James.

Yes that was me Marie thank you.
i have just rechecked and my notes say John Jewell Carters death was about 1892 not 1902 as i mentioned in a previous reply.

Best wishes
Maurice.

Thank you Gins and Marie for your replys.

I have to go out for the rest of the day but will check my threads later.

Marie i have rechecked my tree and i do have Mathias mother as Mary Jane James not Mary Ann as i mentioned in my posting. Sorry.

Thank you all for your assistance but i fear Mathias may never be found, especially with all his assumed names.

He may well have died using another alias and nobody knew anthying about him.

Best wishes
Maurice.

I notice in the newspaper report of 1904 that he got three years penal servitude. He must have been out by the time of the 1911 but it's quite possible that, as you suggest, he used yet another false name (a new one!) to hide.

Only other thing I can suggest is finding out his actual birth date (get his birth certificate) - just a chance that he may have used an assumed name but kept his birthday. Sometimes we've found people that way.

Hi Marie,

Thank you for that suggestion, i will get the cert and see if it helps.

Best wishes
Maurice

I am unsure how to get the update on the first page, so have nudged it.
Hope this works.

Best wishes Maurice.

I've found a later newspaper article about him.

The Manchester Courier dated 9 April 1907 reported on a Matthias Carter, surgical dresser Ulverston, who had pleaded guilty to stealing a watch, etc. He had pleaded guilty and got 12 months.

Thank you for your reply Marie, i will check that one out.

At the moment i have still to find out what the seemingly redeemed old rogue was doing in Serbia It has been suggested rather than rejoining the army which may have been difficult given his criminal record, he may have joined the ICRC or the British Red Cross.

I am awaiting replys from both organisations to my emails to them asking for any information.

I will of course let you know of any succes in that matter.

Thank you for your help it is most apppreciated.
.
Best wishes
Maurice