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Birth for Charles Willow Traiton Mortimer

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Sarah

Sarah Report 8 Dec 2012 19:55

I have been unable to find a birth record for Charles Willow Traiton Mortimer. I have his baptism in 1857 in Mildenhall, Wiltshire - son to a single woman Ann Mortimer. He was baptised as Charles Mortimer. Charles was brought up by his grandparents and later moved to London where he married Sarah Rushen and had four children. On the baptism records for his children, the middle names of Willow and Traiton appear. Some of the census returns state Charles William Mortimer. I did wonder whether the two middle names gave some kind of hint as to who his father was but so far haven't come up with anything. His marriage certificate states Thomas Mortimer which was the name of his grandfather who brought him up so no help there unfortunately. I have all his records - baptism, marriage, children's baptisms, census, death and probate however I cannot find a birth record for him. Any help locating one would be much appreciated. One of the census returns state Horn's Park, Kent as his place of birth whereas all the others states Mildenhall, Wiltshire, so could be either.

greyghost

greyghost Report 8 Dec 2012 20:21

Is this him in 1871. If so it would seem to indicate a birth year of 1852/3

1871 census transcription details for: Minal Warren, Mildenhall

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG10
Piece: 1905
Folio: 41
Page: 14
Reg. District: Marlborough
Sub District: Marlborough
Parish: Mildenhall
Enum. District: 9
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Minal Warren, Mildenhall
County: Wiltshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
MORTIMER, Thomas Head M 61 1810 Wiltshire
MORTIMER, Harriet Wife F 63 1808 Berkshire
MORTIMER, Mary Daughter F 22 1849 Wiltshire
MORTIMER, Charles Son M 18 1853 Wiltshire

So a possible birth?? Nearest I'm seeing

??Dec 1852 Marlborough RD covers Mildenhall
Mortimer Charles Marlborough 5a 80

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 8 Dec 2012 20:30

Charles Mortemore
England and Wales Census, 1861
birth: 1856 Mildenhall,? Wiltshire
census: 1861 Mildenhall,? Wiltshire,? England


name: Charles Mortemore
event: Census
event date: 1861
gender: Male
age: 5
relationship to head of household: Grandson
birthplace: Mildenhall, Wiltshire
record type: Household
registration district: Marlborough
sub-district: 1 Marlborough
civil parish: Mildenhall
county: Wiltshire

Charles W Mortimer
England and Wales Census, 1881
birth: 1856 ,? Wiltshire,? England
census: 1881 Camberwell,? Surrey,? England
spouse: Sarah Mortimer
children: Alice Mortimer,? Charles W Mortimer


name: Charles W Mortimer
age: 25
gender: Male
birth year: 1856
birthplace: , Wiltshire, England
relationship to head of household: Head
marital condition: Married
profession/occupation: Carman
address: 1 Garden St
census place: Camberwell, Surrey, England
record type: Household
family history library film: 1341163
the national archives reference: RG11
piece/folio: 700 / 47
page number: 26

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 8 Dec 2012 20:32

Charles Mortimer
England and Wales Census, 1891
birth: Mildenhall,? Wiltshire
census: 1891 England


name: Charles Mortimer
event: Census
event date: 1891
gender: Male
age: 20
relationship to head of household: Brother In Law
birthplace: Mildenhall, Wiltshire
record type: Household
registration district: St Saviour Southwark
sub-district: Christchurch Southwark
ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
civil parish: St Saviour Southwark
county: London, Middlesex

Charles Mortimer
England and Wales Census, 1911
birth: Mildenhall,? Wiltshire
census: 1911 Woodley And Sandford,? Earley Near Reading,? Berkshire,? England


name: Charles Mortimer
event: Census
event date: 1911
gender: Male
age: 40
birthplace: Mildenhall, Wiltshire
record type: Household
registration district: Wokingham
sub-district: Wargrave
parish: Woodley And Sandford
county: Berkshire

William Mortimer
England and Wales Census, 1891
birth: Mildenhall,? Wiltshire
census: 1891 England


name: William Mortimer
event: Census
event date: 1891
gender: Male
age: 22
relationship to head of household: Son
birthplace: Mildenhall, Wiltshire
record type: Household
registration district: Wokingham
sub-district: Wargrave
ecclesiastical parish: St Marys
civil parish: Wargrave
county: Berkshire

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 8 Dec 2012 20:36

Charles Mortimer
England and Wales Census, 1871
birth: 1856 Homs Park,? Kent
residence: 1871 Mildenhall,? Wiltshire,? England


name: Charles Mortimer
event: Census
event date: 1871
gender: Male
age: 15
relationship to head of household: Grandson
birthplace: Homs Park, Kent
record type: Household
registration district: Marlborough
sub-district: Marlborough
event parish: Mildenhall
county: Wiltshire

greyghost

greyghost Report 8 Dec 2012 20:38

Well FMP have messed that one up!!
Based on the census above for 1871, I wondered if 18 year old Charles was wrongly down as son rather than grandson.
But, they show another Charles also in Mildenhall, age 15, b Kent but Grandson to Jacob Wailing.
Check the original and 15 year old Charles should be with the previous family ie on the above 1871 that I posted
How they have moved him from being with the Mortimers on the original and over the page and with the Wailings I don't know!

Reggie

Reggie Report 8 Dec 2012 21:06

Until 1875, there were no penalties for not registering births

As he was illegitimate, all the more reason for not registering.

Sarah

Sarah Report 9 Dec 2012 10:12

Yes the 1871 that Stuart posted is the family. Charles born circa 1857 was the grandson of Thomas and Harriet - they also have a son called Charles just a few years older who was born in 1852 which is the birth record found in Marlborough district.

The 1891 and 1911 census for Charles Mortimer that Ann posted is not him - he was aged 20 so would give a birth year of circa 1871 - he happens to be another grandson of Thomas and Harriet.

The Wailings that lived next door to the Mortimers were related to Sarah Rushen who Charles went on to marry. I have checked the original 1871 census and can see Charles is with the Mortimers and not the Wailings.

I suppose it is possible he wasn't registered however all the other illigitimates I've found within that family in Mildenhall had their births registered. I am wondering whether his mother moved over to Kent in service and got pregnant - perhaps had the child there and then returned to Mildenhall where he was baptised.

ChristinaS

ChristinaS Report 9 Dec 2012 12:01

Could his birth registration be this one?

There's a Horn Park in Lee, which comes under Lewisham. (Used to be in Kent).

Name: Charles Mortimer
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1855
Registration district: Lewisham
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1d
Page: 617 (click to see others on page)

Sarah

Sarah Report 9 Dec 2012 13:28

It could well be Christina - I cannot find a corresponding Charles Mortimer on the census returns or a death record for that one so looks like it could be my man. Only way to tell would be to get the certificate I suppose.