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Neil Stewart
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11 Dec 2012 08:00 |
I am following up my great grandfather's eldest brother George Gordon Hardie. He was born in Ordiquhill, Banff, Scotland in 1833, the son of William Hardie and Jane Wight. He had a colourful life to put it politely.
We know that he worked as a jobbing gardener on several estates in the Scottish Highlands including Auchlun Park, Belhelvie Lodge and Kinnettles House during the 1850s. He married Marie Thorp or Thorpe in 1853 when still only 20 (unusual at that time). They had 4 daughters Anne or Annie Jemima (b 11.1.1854), Eliza Georgina (b 27.4.1855, Maria (b 30.10.1856 and Lizzie (b 1859-60). However the marriage doesn't seem to have been happy and was over long before Marie's death in 1871. The children seemed to have been farmed out. Lizzie was living with her grandparents in the 1861 census while her mother was working as a nurse in Aberdeen..
George Gordon is believed to have cleared off to the USA and probably remained there until 1881. I can't trace him in the Scottish censuses for 1861, 71 or 81. I have no idea which city he was in or what he was doing there. He returned to Scotland, probably in early 1882 apparently penniless, with an illegitimate child in tow and already nearly 50. Nevertheless he married a fairly prospoerous retail tobacconist Christina Munro (aged 31 or 33), from Edinburgh on Dec 12th 1882. He lied about his age (40 on his marriage certificate), repeatedly abused her and tried to kill her at least once. She finally left him in 1883. He then seized all her assets and returned to the USA; probably arriving in Boston sometime in 1883. She formally divorced him in 1888 in a bitter and messy case which also involved two of George Gordon's brothers and two of the daughters of his first wife.
There the trail goes cold. Christina employed a private detective to trace George Gordon in the USA but he failed. So have I. He may have used a false name but does anyone in the USA recognise him from either of his periods in the USA?
There were no children of his marriage to Christina but what about the daughters of his first marriage? Annie Jemima was living in Dulwich, London at the time of the divorce but I don't know how she got there or if she was married. Can anyone help?
Eliza Georgina was living in Edinburgh at the same time and and probably married there in 1893 but nothing else is known. Again does anyone have her in their family tree?
Marie disappears completely after her birth.
Lizzie married George Henderson and moved back to the Highlands settling in Tain, Ross and Cromarty. She was still there in 1905 when the grandmother who had brought her up, Jane Hardie (nee Wight) died in her home. Does anyone recognise Lizzie?
Incidentally I also know very little about Jane Wight either and if anyone can help fill in her background I would be grateful.
I know these are longshots but these boards have worked before so here's hoping.
Thanks
Neil
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Andrew
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11 Dec 2012 08:34 |
Annie 1891?
1891 England Census about Annie Hardie Name: Annie Hardie Age: 36 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855 Relation: Servant Gender: Female Where born: Scotland Civil parish: Camberwell Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen Town: Dulwich County/Island: London Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View image Registration district: Camberwell Sub-registration district: Dulwich ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 461 Folio: 22 Page Number: 41 Household Members: Name Age James Wilson 52 Mary Wilson 44 Robert Wilson 16 Alexander J Wilson 15 Annie L Wilson 5 >>>>Annie Hardie 36 Mary A Mgay 29 Annis Mineo 28 Eliza Cox 52 James Burnett 18 Emily I Burnett 36 Ida Burnett 11 Eliza Peckham 37 Catherine Philips 22 Rosetta Elliott 31 Margaret Jones 27
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11 Dec 2012 10:45 |
George Gordon Hardy Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950 birth: 17 Mar 1833 christening: 04 Apr 1833 ORDIQUHILL,?BANFF,?SCOTLAND parents: William Hardy,? Jane Wight
name: George Gordon Hardy gender: Male baptism/christening date: 04 Apr 1833 baptism/christening place: ORDIQUHILL,BANFF,SCOTLAND birth date: 17 Mar 1833 father's name: William Hardy mother's name: Jane Wight indexing project (batch) number: C11163-4 system origin: Scotland-ODM source film number: 990990
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AnnCardiff
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11 Dec 2012 10:47 |
William Hardie Scotland, Marriages, 1561-1910 marriage: 11 Nov 1832 Fyvie,?Aberdeen,?Scotland spouse: Jane Wight
groom's name: William Hardie bride's name: Jane Wight marriage date: 11 Nov 1832 marriage place: Fyvie,Aberdeen,Scotland indexing project (batch) number: M11197-4 system origin: Scotland-ODM source film number: 993186
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AnnCardiff
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11 Dec 2012 10:47 |
William Hardie Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950 spouse: Jane Wight child: Francis William Hardie
William Hardie Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950 spouse: Jane Wight child: Alexander Hardie
William Hardie Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950 spouse: Jane Wight child: Eliza Isabella Hardie
William Hardie Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950 spouse: Jane Wight child: Jane Hardie
William Hardie Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950 spouse: Jane Wight child: Margret Hardie
William Hardie Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950 spouse: Jane Wight child: Gordon Hardie
William Hardie Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950 spouse: Jane Wight child: James Hardie
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Potty
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11 Dec 2012 11:00 |
Neil, the best way to find out if anybody on here has any of them in their tree is to put the names in Search, Search all Trees at the top of the screen. Andy seems to have found Annie in 1891 so she may have stayed in England.
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Andrew
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11 Dec 2012 11:02 |
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Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages Dec 1891 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hardie Annie Camberwell 1d 1481
on, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Annie Hardie Name: Annie Hardie Spouse Name: Robert Spence Matheson Record Type: Banns Event Date: 11 Oct 1891 Parish: South Dulwich St Stephen Borough: Southwark Register Type: Parish Register
See 1911 census posted below.
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AnnCardiff
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11 Dec 2012 11:11 |
Gordon G. Hardie Massachusetts, Marriages, 1841-1915 birth: 1839 marriage: 04 Jun 1870 New Bedford,? Massachusetts parents: William,? Jane spouse: Ruth M. Andrews
name: Gordon G. Hardie event: Marriage event date: 04 Jun 1870 event place: New Bedford, Massachusetts gender: Male age: 31 estimated birth year: 1839 father: William mother: Jane spouse: Ruth M. Andrews spouse's father: Christopher spouse's mother: Ruthe record number: 638 digital folder number: 4332358
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Andrew
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11 Dec 2012 11:12 |
Annie 1911??
Date of birth slighty wrong, but place of birth OK
1911 England Census about Annie Matheson Name: Annie Matheson Age in 1911: 52 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859 Relation to Head: Wife Gender: Female Birth Place: Banff, Scotland Civil parish: Lambeth County/Island: London Country: England Street Address: 111 Helix Road, Brixton Hill, Brixton, London SW Marital Status: Married Years Married: 19 Estimated Marriage Year: 1892 Registration district: Lambeth Registration District Number: 25 Sub-registration district: Norwood ED, institution, or vessel: 11 Piece: 2110 Household Members: Name Age Robert Spence Matheson 52 Annie Matheson 52
Married 19 years, no children. Andy
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Potty
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11 Dec 2012 11:13 |
Possible marriage for Annie:
Marriages Dec 1891 (>99%) Hardie Annie Camberwell 1d 1481 Matheson Robert Spence Camberwell 1d 1481
These are the banns for that marriage but the marriage (which would confirm her father's name) does not seem to be in the parish records. The marriage cert would be needed for that:
Name: Annie Hardie Spouse Name: Robert Spence Matheson Record Type: Banns Event Date: 11 Oct 1891 Parish: South Dulwich St Stephen Borough: Southwark Register Type: Parish Register
Robert is shown as a batchelor of St Pauls Parish, Deptford.
Just seen Andy has already found this. The banns for St Pauls Deptford are also on Ancestry and in the margin is written "Certificate Oct 12"
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Andrew
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11 Dec 2012 11:22 |
Annie death??
Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Deaths Mar 1924 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matheson Annie 70 Kensington 1a 233
and Robert?
alia Death Index, 1787-1985 about Robert Spence Matheson Name: Robert Spence Matheson Death Date: 19 Jan 1934 Death Place: South Australia Registration Year: 1931-1935 Registration Place: South Australia Page Number: 463 Volume Number: 555
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Potty
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11 Dec 2012 11:27 |
Robert in 1901 - No Annie but is is shown as a Commercial traveller in 1911:
Name: Robert Spence Matheson Age: 41 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860 Relationship: Visitor Gender: Male Where born: Forgue, aberdeensh Registration number: 168/2 Registration district: St Machar Civil parish: Aberdeen Rubislaw County: Aberdeenshire Address: 32 Desswood Pl Occupation: Grocer Merchant ED: 43 Household schedule number: 136 Line: 4 Roll: CSSCT1901_59 Household Members: Name Age Michie F G Cumming 31 Sarah Wood Cumming 27 Robert Spence Matheson 41 Annie Simpson Curran 17
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Potty
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11 Dec 2012 11:32 |
Annie in 1901 - could Elizabeth Henderson be her sister Eliza?
1901 Scotland Census about Annie Matheson Name: Annie Matheson Age: 45 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856 Relationship: Sister-in-law Gender: Female Where born: Boharm, Banffshire Registration number: 82 Registration district: Tain Civil parish: Tain County: Ross and Cromarty Address: 1 Lamington St ED: 2 Household schedule number: 27 Line: 23 Roll: CSSCT1901_21 Household Members: Name Age George Henderson 40 Elizabeth Henderson 42 Violet Henderson 6 Annie Matheson 45 Jane Hardie 92 Grandmother-in-law, Old Meldrum, Aberdeenshire Janet Henderson 69 Annie Campbell 21 Edit: looking at Elizabeth's DOB, she is probably Lizzie.
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Andrew
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11 Dec 2012 11:34 |
Could be Annie 1901
EDIT. Sorry Potty, we seem to be doulbe posting the info!
1901 Scotland Census about Annie Matheson Name: Annie Matheson Age: 45 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856 Relationship: Sister-in-law Gender: Female Where born: Boharm, Banffshire Registration number: 82 Registration district: Tain Civil parish: Tain County: Ross and Cromarty Address: 1 Lamington St ED: 2 Household schedule number: 27 Line: 23 Roll: CSSCT1901_21 Household Members: Name Age George Henderson 40 Elizabeth Henderson 42 Violet Henderson 6 Annie Matheson 45 Jane Hardie 92 Janet Henderson 69 Annie Campbell 21
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Potty
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11 Dec 2012 11:54 |
Great minds think alike, Andy!
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Neil Stewart
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11 Dec 2012 12:24 |
Thank you very much everyone. Some of this information I already knew but George Gordon's second marriage in the USA is a breakthrough. Brilliant!
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AnnCardiff
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11 Dec 2012 12:31 |
it's on the free Mormon website - www.familysearch.org
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Neil Stewart
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20 Jan 2013 14:14 |
Thanks to AnnCardiff's discovery of George Gordon Hardie's second marriage I have now been able to make sense of a reference in the divorce papers relating to the ending of his third marriage. His third wife Christina Munro complained about a child George Gordon had foisted upon her whom he had brought back from America. Presumably this was a child by his marriage to Ruth M Andrews in Massachussets. Unfortunately the divorce papers give no further details and without an age or sex for the child I have been unable to trace a birth certificate in America. George Gordon was a wanderer and it does not follow that he and his wife stayed in New Bedford even though they married there.
As an alternative I am wondering if there is any way of tracing his return to Scotland with the child. I am familiar with emigrant passenger records from Scotland but does anyone know if there are inbound records and if so where I could find them online?
I have no idea what happened to the child but I would like to find out. Possibly he/she returned to the USA with George Gordon in 1883. But given his previous history of abandoning the four daughters of his first marriage it is more likely that the child was left in Scotland to be fostered, adopted or put into some kind of care. Is there any way of tracing children in this unfortunate position in Scotland in the 1880s?
Thanks in advance for your help.
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Andrew
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20 Jan 2013 16:44 |
Possible for George US census 1870
1870 United States Federal Census about Geo G Hardy Name: Geo G Hardy Age in 1870: 32 Birth Year: abt 1838 Birthplace: Scotland Home in 1870: Taunton Ward 6, Bristol, Massachusetts Race: White Gender: Male Post Office: Taunton Value of real estate: View image Household Members: Name Age Lemuel Talbot 53 Mary N Talbot 49 Polly Williams 77 William Walker 25 Owin Atwood 19 >>>>Geo G Hardy 32 Gardner Maria Hardy 26 Catharine Lyons 29
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20 Jan 2013 16:50 |
On the original image of his 1870 marriage it looks like he's living Poston?
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11029-17256-69?cc=1469062&wc=6961510
Cheeky blighter, saying it's his first marriage!
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