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Charles Harden. Goldsmith of London (died 1851)

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LadyKira

LadyKira Report 19 Dec 2012 23:15

You are welcome.

Have a great Christmas.

JerryH

JerryH Report 19 Dec 2012 18:48

Just thought you may be interested in an Update:

I did take out a short Ancestry subscription and have been trawling through some more records:
It seems that Roger Harden can be traced through the Land Tax Returns 1766 to 1780 to Shoe Lane but I have not been able to find any burial for him
There is a possible Marriage to a Cath Fevey 31 Mar 1750 on FamilySearch but it is also shown in the rather more clandestine Fleet Prison Records (RG-7) so I am a little sceptical.

Charles had another daughter, Ann who was I think baptised at St James Clerkenwell born 15 July and Baptised 18 August 1790.
She married Joseph John Colby at St Brides 24 Apr 1819 and there is no mistaking her father's signature as the first of the witnesses. The others being her brother Charles and sister Catherine.
They had 4 children and lived at 16 Fleet Lane, Holborn
I found them on the 1841 Census although Joseph was calling himself by his second name, ie John..
Ann died in 1849 and was buried at Highgate Cemetary. This would explain why there was no mention in Charles' Will.

Thanks all -- and Merry Christmas.

Jeremy
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LadyKira

LadyKira Report 13 Dec 2012 11:59

It is like the yellow pages. Found by google.

JerryH

JerryH Report 13 Dec 2012 11:14

Wow!
What an amazing variety of proffessions!.
Well that certainly puts William at 120 in the period 1838 to 1840.

You do seem to come up with some interesting sites :-D

Jeremy

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 13 Dec 2012 10:33

from http://www.apogeebooks.com/Godwin/TALLIS.html

RACQUET COURT.

115 Reynolds, R. Engraver, Printer, and Stationer.

116 Marriott, Cook and Confectioner.

117 Deacon, Oyster and Shell Fish Warehouse.

118 Whitting, Ham Dealer.

119 Smithson, J. Free Mason's Chop House.

120 HARDEN, Goldsmith and Jeweller.

122 Atkinson, Outfitter.

125 Stephens, Tailor, and Draper.

126 Cutler, Boot and Shoe Maker.

127 Morning Advertiser Office.

128 Nason, W. Chemist.

SHOE LANE

130 BURBRIDGE and HEALY Ironmongers.

131 SOUTER, School Library.

132 Sheffield, H. and E. Booksellers.

134 Dobbs and Co. Artist's Repository.

135 Clark, Cricket and Fishing Tackle Manufacturer.

JerryH

JerryH Report 13 Dec 2012 04:00

Thanks again LadyK

I provided information to Ann Spiro re the Goldsmiths site back in 2007 or there abouts. In particular the info on William Harden.

Looking back on what we now know, I think Charles was a Comb Maker, which I take to be the sort of fancy combs that women wore in their hair.

In terms of the London Directory for 1829, I suspect that whilst the Business was still owned by Charles, his son William was the one with the skill to work in Gold and Silver so perhaps there was a bit of Poetic License employed..: ;-)
In that year, Charles would have been 63.
I did note the reference in the Grant of the Freedom of the City.

It is always exciting to add a few more names to the chart and I have been delighted with the new information

Jeremy

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LadyKira

LadyKira Report 13 Dec 2012 02:00

http://blacksmiths.mygenwebs.com/goldsmiths-1.php

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 13 Dec 2012 01:52

http://www.history.ac.uk/gh/comb.htm

Combmakers' Company

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 13 Dec 2012 01:36

Well it was a joint effort as we were both interested in that line. ;-)

JerryH

JerryH Report 13 Dec 2012 00:48

LadyKira
Indeed Yes. Thankyou.

Both images saved to the Computer

We had correspondance nearly 2 years ago when you kindly helped me with information regarding my Sister in Law's tree so am glad you remembered my email address.

Jeremy

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 12 Dec 2012 22:26

And this would give you your link. The address is shoe lane in the top corner of the image.

London, England, Freedom of the City Admission Papers, 1681-1925 about Charles Harden
Name: Charles Harden
Birth Date: 1776
Admission Date: 1799
Father's Name: Roger Harden

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 12 Dec 2012 22:20

I have found you and hopefully have sent it.

London, England, Freedom of the City Admission Papers, 1681-1925 about Roger Harden
Name: Roger Harden
Admission Date: 31 Jan 1764
Father's Name: Roger Harden

Vicci

Vicci Report 12 Dec 2012 22:13

have you tried the Goldsmiths Company

http://www.thegoldsmiths.co.uk/collections-library/library/research-guides-reading-lists/researching-family-history-in-the-library/

apprentice books date from 1578 and contain information on the name of the apprentice, parent, whether living or deceased, parent’s trade or profession and place of abode (parish).

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 12 Dec 2012 22:12

Jeremy I have found a freedom of the City record for Roger and he was a combmaker,dated 10 july 1764. I can email you the image. Please remind me of your email address.

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 12 Dec 2012 22:00

UK, Midlands and Various UK Trade Directories, 1770-1941 about William Harden
Name: William Harden
Region: Miscellaneous
Residence Year: 1845
Publication Title: 1845 Post Office Directory of London and Birmingham with Warwickshire - Part 2
Occupation: Goldsmith
Street Address: 120 Fleet street

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 12 Dec 2012 21:49

Bankrupt directory 1820-1843
Last name:Harden
First names:William
Street:Town:ClaphamCounty:
SurreyOccupation:boot maker
Day:26
Month:April
Year:1831
Notes:Page:182Record source:Bankrupt directory 1820-1843 Data provider:brightsolid online publishing ltd

JerryH

JerryH Report 12 Dec 2012 21:40

Thanks Chris in Sussex

Yes, it is good point about FMP.
I held back asking when I noticed that the Westminster records were being offered as I hoped that they might eventually be included on GR

Hopefully the records include the Register Image as I am in need of clues to who the parents may have been, so witnesses will be crucial.

Jeremy

Chris in Sussex

Chris in Sussex Report 12 Dec 2012 18:15

FMP state they have marriages for...
St James, Piccadilly (St James, Westminster) 1685 - 1837

You can see FMP's current coverage of the Westminster records here...
http://www.findmypast.co.uk/cms/fmp/pdf/westminster-parish-records.pdf

Post the details of the one you are interested in and I am sure someone with a sub will have a look for you.

Chris

JerryH

JerryH Report 12 Dec 2012 17:48

Thank you very much Chris

That I think may be the other bit of information I needed to firm up the link.

Shoe Lane intersects Fleet Street by St Bride's Church and is only just to the North of Blackfriars. 120 Fleet Street is also on that intersection.

Jeremy

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 12 Dec 2012 16:27

also a Burial, Charles 1792, Shoe Lane (6 weeks)


The 1766 Charles Baptism, noted address, Shoe Lane.

(as is address for your other names, parents Charles & Ann/Hannah)

Chris :)