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Marcus
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12 Dec 2012 09:05 |
Hi,
I am trying to find Francis & Hannah Smith from Bucklebury area of Berkshire on the 1841 Census for a friend.
Cannot seem to find them. Possible daughters may be with them - Mary Ann 1818, Harriet 1823, Sarah 1826 & Charlotte 1828.
Any help most welcome.
Marcus ;-)
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brummiejan
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12 Dec 2012 09:10 |
There is this, but doesn't seem likely does it! When was Francis born?
1841 England Census Name: Frances Smith Age: 60 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1781 Gender: Male Where born: Berkshire, England Civil parish: Bucklebury Hundred: Reading County/Island: Berkshire Registration district: Bradfield Sub-registration district: Bucklebury
Frances Smith 60 Hannah Smith 65 James Smith 25
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Marcus
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12 Dec 2012 09:19 |
Thanks Brummiejan,
I have 2 bapts for Francis Smith - Oct 1779 & June 1781. Different parents/families, but both in Bucklebury Parish.
Just couldn't find him on 1841 Census.
Thanks again,
Marcus
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Marcus
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12 Dec 2012 09:26 |
Adding to my post above - Can anyone find their son John bapt 1820 Bucklebury on 1841 Census?
Many thanks,
Marcus
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Catherine
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12 Dec 2012 09:39 |
Difficult to be sure which one is him in 1841, but there's a good chance that this could be him in 1851:-
1851 England Census about John Smith Name: John Smith Age: 36 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1815 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Jane Smith Gender: M (Male) Where born: Bucklebury, Berkshire, England Civil parish: Bucklebury County/Island: Berkshire Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Registration district: Bradfield Sub-registration district: Bucklebury ED, institution, or vessel: 9a Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 33 Piece: 1691 Folio: 175 Page Number: 10 Household Members: Name Age John Smith 36 Jane Smith 36 Thomas Smith 6 Ann Smith 7 Mary Smith 4 John Smith 4 Jane Smith 11 Mo ................................................................
Same in 1861:-
1861 England Census about John Smith Name: John Smith Age: 41 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1820 [Abt 1815] Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Jane Smith Gender: Male Where born: Bucklebury, Berkshire, England Civil parish: Bucklebury County/Island: Berkshire Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Registration district: Bradfield Sub-registration district: Bucklebury ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 99 Piece: 742 Folio: 12 Page Number: 17 Household Members: Name Age John Smith 41 Jane Smith 46 Ann Smith 16 Mary Smith 14 John Smith 13 Jane Smith 10 Emma Smith 6
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Catherine
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12 Dec 2012 09:46 |
There is this one?
1841 England Census about John Smith Name: John Smith Age: 25 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816 Gender: Male Where born: Berkshire, England Civil parish: Bradfield Hundred: Theale County/Island: Berkshire Country: England Street Address:
Occupation: Ag.Lab.
Registration district: Bradfield Sub-registration district: Bucklebury Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 29 Book: 3 Folio: 8 Page Number: 19 Household Members: Name Age John Smith 25 Mary Smith 30 Hannah Smith 5 George Smith 2 Charles Smith 6 Mo
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Marcus
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12 Dec 2012 09:59 |
Thanks Catherine,
That's John & co on 1851 & 1861, great!! Not too sure about 1841, though it is a possible one at that!!
Marcus
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brummiejan
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12 Dec 2012 10:17 |
It's possible this is the marriage for John and Jane:
Marriages Dec 1841 (>99%) BAILEY William Bradfield 6 255 HANCOCK Jane Bradfield 6 255 HITCHCOCK Mary Bradfield 6 255 SMITH John Bradfield 6 255
In which case??
1841 England Census Name: Jane Hancock Age: 25 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816 Gender: Female Where born: Berkshire, England Civil parish: Aldermaston Hundred: Theale County/Island: Berkshire Registration district: Bradfield Sub-registration district: Mortimer
John Boulay 15 Charlotte Breakstone 20 Mary Hitchcock 25 Jane Hancock 25 Mary Butler 15 William Baily 20 William Baily 20 William River 15 Charles Wimer 15 Henry Bunce 20 Richie Ireson 25 William Diggins 14 George Hufrey 12 George Herbert 20
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12 Dec 2012 10:27 |
I did sort of wonder if the 1841 found by Catherine was actually him - this might be George and Charles with their mother 1851??? Very speculative! Anmd note Esther's birth year.
1851 England Census Name: Mary Ann Carton [Mary Ann Carter] Age: 46 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1805 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: Joseph Carton Gender: F (Female) Where born: Bradfield, Berkshire, England Civil parish: Bradfield County/Island: Berkshire
Registration district: Bradfield Sub-registration district: Bucklebury
George Lay 80 Joseph Carton 42 Mary Ann Carton 46 George Smith 12 son Charles Smith 10 son Esther Smith 5 Charlotte Carter 3 Christopher Lay 21
Marriages Dec 1845 (not the only names on page) CARTER Joseph Bradfield 6 275 Smith Mary Ann Bradfield 6 275
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Marcus
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12 Dec 2012 10:31 |
Thanks again Brummiejan.
Alas I have to pop out for a bit, so won't be online for a while.
Do keep looking - I do appreciate ALL your help.
Marcus
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Catherine
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12 Dec 2012 20:54 |
Hi Marcus, Don't forget that 1841 doesn't give the relationships of the household members, so the 1841 I posted may be him. The Mary Ann with him is not necessarily his wife, it may be his sister, or sister in law or just a visitor, or even just a friend so I wouldn't dismiss it entirely.
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Marcus
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13 Dec 2012 10:45 |
Hi Catherine,
Thanks for your message, I do understand what you say about Mary Ann who may be just a visitor etc., it makes sense.
But because of what info I have already, I am unsure of it being the right entry. I am not dismissing it just yet.
Marcus
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