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Can't help wondering if Lionel Bridgman, who was also with the Mansfields as their nephew in 1891, was Charles Lindley's brother or just a cousin.

He too became an ironmonger like his uncle, and so did his son.

Census 1901:

Address: 4, Alfred Cottage, Crown Road, Sutton
County: Surrey
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
BRIDGMAN, Lionel Head Married M 26 1875 Ironmonger's Assistant
Near Barnstaple, Devonshire
BRIDGMAN, Ellen Blanch Wife Married F 28 1873 Ilfracombe, Devonshire
BRIDGMAN, Lionel John Son M 0 (5 MOS) 1901 Ilfracombe, Devonshire


Census 1911:

Address: 2 High Street Sutton Surrey County: Surrey

BRIDGMAN, Lionel Head Married M 36 1875 Ironmonger Manager High Bray Devon
BRIDGMAN, Ellen Blanche Wife Married 14 years F 38 1873 Ilfracombe Devon
BRIDGMAN, Christine Annetta Daughter F 13 1898 School Scarborough Yorks
BRIDGMAN, John Lionel Son M 10 1901 School Ilfracombe Devon
GARRETT, Eva Gertrude Boarder Single F 28 1883 Assistant Teacher Elementary School Bournemouth Hants
SHARLAND, Alice Maud Boarder Single F 23 1888 Assistant Teacher Elementary Bromley Kent

Marriage?

Marriages Dec 1896
Ackland Ellen Blanch Barnstaple 5b 899
Bridgeman Lionel Barnstaple 5b 899


Death:

Name: Lionel Bridgman
Birth Date: abt 1874
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1951
Age at Death: 77
Registration district: Surrey North Eastern
Inferred County: Surrey
Volume: 5g
Page: 447


Name: Lionel Bridgman
Probate Date: 6 May 1952
Death Date: 28 Aug 1951
Death Place: Surrey, England
Registry: London, England

Of 24 Green wrythe Lane Carshalton Surrey . Died at Surrey County Hospital Carshalton. Probate London to John Lionel Bridgman ironmonger and Leonard Godfrey Davey solicitor. Effects £6108 9s 8d.

Census 1911 says two children born to the marriage, two still living. Yet Christine is not with the family in 1901, nor can I find a birth for her in the names Bridgman.

Could she have been adopted?

????

Births Mar 1897 Day Christine Annetta Rotherham 9c 713

EDIT. Seems not, as that girl married in the area:

Marriages Mar 1916
Day Christine A Birkett Rotherham 9c 1197




EDIT: Found Christine with her maternal grandmother in census 1901.:

Address: 11, Brookfield Place, Ilfracombe County: Devonshire

ACKLAND, Anne Head Widow F 53 1848 Dressmaker Ilfracombe, Devonshire
BRIDGMAN, Christine A Grand Daughter Single F 3 1898
Leeds, Yorkshire<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Name: James John Mansfield
Probate Date: 19 Sep 1917
Death Date: 28 Jul 1917
Death Place: Devon, England
Registry: London, England

of 99 High Street Ilfracombe Devonshire .Probate London to Charles Lindley Bridgman Mansfield ironmonger. Effects £6779 5s 6d.

Name: Maria Baker Mansfield
Probate Date: 27 Apr 1911
Death Date: 5 Apr 1911
Death Place: Devonshire, England
Registry: London, England

of 99 High st Ilfracombe Devonshire (wife of James John Mansfield). Probate London to the same James John Mansfield ironmonger. Effects £764 18s 7d

I have a Dennis Bridgman Born about 1930 in I dont know his place of birth though My tree married to my Aunt in Manchester I dont know if he is connected to yours.
David

I have a Dennis Bridgman Born about 1930 in My tree married to my Aunt in Manchester I dont know if he is connected to yours.
David

I have sent a PM to poster advising how to get back to his thread.

He has replied by PM to me but not back on here yet......

In addition to the first James John born 1835 died 1836, it looks like James and Jane Mansfield lost at least two more children.

Surname: Mansfield
Forenames: Mary Jane
Father's Forename: James
Mother's Forename: Jane
Father's Occupation: Schoolmaster
Year: 1834
Month: Mar
Day: 31
Abode: Exmouth In Withecombe
Parish: Withycombe Raleigh
Town Or City:
County: Devon
Record source: Devon Baptisms - Transcripts

Died:

Surname: Mansfield
Forename: Maria Jane
Age: 5 Weeks
Year: 1834
Month: Aug
Day: 6
Notes: Of Exmouth In Withycombe
Parish: Withycombe Raleigh
Town Or City:
County: Devon
Record source: Devon Burials - Transcripts

(should it be 5 months not 5 weeks?)



Surname: Mansfield
Forenames: Mary Elizabeth
Father's Forename: James
Mother's Forename: Jane
Father's Occupation: Schoolmaster
Year: 1836
Month: Aug
Day: 10
Abode: Exmouth In Withecombe
Parish: Withycombe Raleigh
Town Or City:
County: Devon
Record source: Devon Baptisms - Transcripts

Died:

Surname: Mansfield
Forename: Mary Elizabeth
Age: 10 Months
Year: 1837
Month: Jun
Day: 9
Notes: Of Exmouth In Withycombe
Parish: Withycombe Raleigh
Town Or City:
County: Devon
Record source: Devon Burials - Transcripts

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These two below survived to census 1841 when they are with James, Jane and baby James [John] as posted earlier in the thread.

Surname: Mansfield
Forenames: Robert William
Father's Forename: James
Mother's Forename: Jane
Father's Occupation: Schoolmaster
Year: 1833
Month: Feb
Day: 5
Abode: Exmouth In Withecombe
Parish: Withycombe Raleigh
Town Or City:
County: Devon
Record source: Devon Baptisms - Transcripts

Surname: Mansfield
Forenames: Charlotte Elizabeth
Father's Forename: James
Mother's Forename: Jane
Father's Occupation: Schoolmaster
Year: 1838
Month: Jul
Day: 22
Abode: Exmouth In Withecombe
Parish: Withycombe Raleigh
Town Or City:
County: Devon
Record source: Devon Baptisms - Transcripts

It may not be relevant, but I earlier posted this potential baptism for William Bridgman at Bideford in 1788 (there was also an alternative candidate baptised Jan 1789 with parents Richard and Margaret).

name: William Bridgeman
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 30 Mar 1788
baptism/christening place: BIDEFORD,DEVON,ENGLAND
birth date:
birthplace:
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: John Bridgeman
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Jane
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: C05032-1
system origin: England-ODM


According to family search John and Jane have other children born Bideford ; Jenny 7th jan 1785, John 20th Mar 1791 and Virtue 24th Nov 1793.

However a John and Jane Bridgman have at least two children baptised at Barnstaple.

The question is, are they the same couple, or two different ones?

name: Ann Bridgman
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 27 May 1781
baptism/christening place: BARNSTAPLE,DEVON,ENGLAND
birth date:
birthplace:
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: John Bridgman
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Jane
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: P00574-1
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 0962417 IT 1

name: James Bridgman
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 17 Jan 1800
baptism/christening place: BARNSTAPLE,DEVON,ENGLAND
birth date:
birthplace:
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: John Bridgman
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Jane
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: P00574-1
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 0962417 IT 1

Colin pmed to say Charles Lindley Bridgman Mansfield was Lindley Charles Bridgman's son.


Just another family snippet.

Mary Ann Bridgman, daur of William and Elizabeth, baptised 24 Dec 1822 (see page one of this thread) evidently married..

census 1871:

name: Susan Bridgman <<<<<<<<<<
event: Census
event date: 1871
gender: Female
age: 50
relationship to head of household: Sister-in-law <<<<<<<<<<<<
birthplace: Barnstaple, Devonshire
record type: Household
registration district: Exeter
sub-district: St David
event parish: St David
county: Devonshire

Household Gender Age Birthplace

self William Challice M 47 Morchard Bishop, Devonshire
wife Mary A Challice F 46 Barnstaple, Devonshire <<<<<<<<<<<<
daughter Sarah J Challice F 9 Exeter, Devonshire
daughter Kate Challice F 6 Exeter, Devonshire
sister-in-law Susan Bridgman F 50 Barnstaple, Devonshire <<<<<<<<
sister-in-law Eliza Bridgman F 48 Barnstaple, Devonshire <<<<<<<<<<
servant Matilda Parker F 24 Exeter, Devonshire

Marriages Mar 1861
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Bridgman Mary Ann Barnstaple 5B 796
CHALLICE William Barnstaple 5b 796

James and Jane in 1841 with family including infant James [John]:

Reg. District: St Thomas
Sub District: Exmouth<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Parish: Withycombe Rawleigh
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:

Address: Parade, Withycombe Rawleigh County: Devonshire

MANSFIELD, James M 30 1811 Devon Schoolmaster
MANSFIELD, James M 0 (10 months) 1841 Devon<<<<<<
MANSFIELD, Jane F 30 1811 Devon
MANSFIELD, Robert M 8 1833 Devon
MANSFIELD, Charlotte F 2 1839 Devon
DYER, Selina F 25 1816 Devon
DAVIES, Emma F 25 1816 Devon

????

Possible marriage for James and Jane Mansfield (census 1851 says she was born Exeter c1811)


Groom's Surname: Mansfield
Groom's Forename: James
Bride's Surname: Dyer
Bride's Forename: Jane Turner
Year: 1830
Month: Jul
Day: 17
Parish: St Sidwell
Town Or City: Exeter
County: Devon
Entry No.:
Notes:
Record source: Devon Marriages - Transcripts

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Possible baptism for James Mansfield, father of James John?

census 1851 says born c1810 Devonport.

"Stoke, also referred to by its earlier name of Stoke Damerel, is a parish, that was once part of the historical Devonport, England; "

Forename(s): James
Surname: Mansfield
Year: 1809
Month: Feb
Day: 05
Father's Forename: John
Mother's Forename: Esther
Mother's Surname:
Birth Day: 23
Birth Month: Jan
Birth Year: 1809
Dedication: Stoke Damerel
Place: Plymouth
County: Devon
Page: 92
Archive Ref: 166/9
Notes:

Census 1911:

Address: 5 St Brannock's Road Ilfracombe County: Devonshire

MANSFIELD, Charles L B Head Married 8 years M 38 1873 Ironmonger Brayford Devon
MANSFIELD, Beatrice M Wife Married 8 years F 31 1880 Home Cambemartar Devon
MANSFIELD, Cecil B Son M 7 1904 At School Ilfracombe Devon
MANSFIELD, Ruth K Daughter F 4 1907 At School Ilfracombe Devon
RICE, Alice M Visitor Married F 43 1868 Home Plumstead Kent

CHILDREN:

Births Mar 1904 MANSFIELD Lindley Cecil B Barnstaple 5b 422

Births Jun 1906 Mansfield Ruth Kathleen Barnstaple 5b 422

Born after 1911:

Births Sep 1912 Mansfield Beatrice M Bennett Barnstaple 5b 733

Births Sep 1914 Mansfield Faith R Bennett Barnstaple 5b 773

Births Mar 1919 Mansfield John C Bennett Barnstaple 5b 535

Before living with and being 'adopted' by the Mansfields, Charles Lindley Bridgman lived with his grandparents

Census 1881:

Address: Boutport St, Barnstaple County: Devonshire

BRIDGEMAN, John Head Married M 68 1813 Accountant Gosport, Hampshire
BRIDGEMAN, Mary J Wife Married F 68 1813 Crediton, Devon
BRIDGEMAN, Charles L Grand Son Single M 8 1873 Scholar
High Bray, Devon <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
BALE, Kate M Servant Single F 17 1864 Gen Dom Serv Altarnum, Cornwall


His marriage to Beatrice:

Marriages Jun 1902
>>>Bennett Beatrice Mary Barnstaple 5b 955
>>>Mansfield Charles Lindley B Barnstaple 5b 955
Roberts Ellen Barnstaple 5b 955
Thorne Arthur William Barnstaple 5b 955

Name: Charles Lindey MANSFIELD
Date of departure: 20 December 1924
Port of departure: London
Passenger destination port: Sydney, Australia
Passenger destination: Sydney, Australia

Date of Birth: 1872 (calculated from age)
Age: 52
Marital status: Married
Sex: Male
Occupation: Iron Mgr
Passenger recorded on: Page 21 of 36


The following people with the same last name travelled on this voyage: -

Mrs Beatrice M MANSFIELD Page 21 of 36
Beatrice Maude MANSFIELD Page 21 of 36
Faith R MANSFIELD Page 21 of 36
John Charles MANSFIELD Page 21 of 36
Lindley Cecil B MANSFIELD Page 21 of 36
Miss Ruth K MANSFIELD Page 21 of 36

BARRABOOL
145424
Captain R Bidwell
P. & O. Australia Via The Cape Service
Australia

Going by her age in 1891 and 1901 Maria Baker Bridgman seems to be the eldest daughter of John Bridgman and Maria Baker, older sister to Lindley Charles Bridgman.

Census 1861

Address: 91, High Street, Barnstaple County: Devonshire

BRIDGEMAN, John Head Married M 48 1813 Boot And Shoe Maker Master Employing 4 Men & 1 boy Gosport, Hampshire
BRIDGEMAN, Maria L Wife Married F 48 1813 Crediton, Devon
BRIDGEMAN, Maria B Daughter Unmarried F 23 1838 Barnstaple, Devon<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
BRIDGEMAN, Susan Daughter Unmarried F 21 1840 Barnstaple, Devon
BRIDGEMAN, Charles L Son M 13 1848 Scholar Barnstaple, Devon<<
WILKEY, Elizabeth Servant Unmarried F 16 1845 House Servant
Bratton Fleming, Devon

At last - the connection!

Marriages Dec 1864
Bater George Barnstaple 5b 866
>>>BRIDGMAN Maria Baker Barnstaple 5b 866
>>>MANSFIELD James John Barnstaple 5b 866
Vanstone Eliza Barnstaple 5b 866

Maybe the 8th July 1835 baptism I posted earlier for James John was an elder sibling who died, as parents in census 1851 look the same:

Census 1851:

Address: Strand Manchester Street, Littleham, Exmouth County: Devonshire

MANSFIELD, James Head Married M 41 1810 School Master Devonport, Devonshire
MANSFIELD, Jane Wife Married F 40 1811 Governess Exeter, Devonshire
MANSFIELD, James Son M 10 1841 Scholar Exmouth, Devonshire<<<
MANSFIELD, Frank Son M 7 1844 ScholarExmouth, Devonshire
MANSFIELD, Charlotte Daughter F 12 1839 Scholar Exmouth, Devonshire
DYER, Selina Unmarried F 36 1815 Governess Exeter, Devonshire
DYER, Matilda Unmarried F 28 1823 Governess Exeter, Devonshire
DAVIES, Emma Servant F 36 1815 Genr Serv Greenwich, Kent

Census 1911, and James John has grown a lot younger!

Address: 99 High St Ilfracombe County: Devonshire

census says one child born, child is deceased.

MANSFIELD, James John Head Married M 58 1853 Ironmonger Exmouth Devon
MANSFIELD, Maria Baker Wife Married F 60 1851 Barnstaple Devon
BAMENT, Rose Servant Single F 44 1867 Domestic General Swinbridge Devon
GREGORY, Emily Nurse Single F 51 1860 Domestic Nurse Calne Wilts

This baptism seems a few years early, albeit in the vicinity of Exmouth.

Surname: Mansfield
Forenames: James John
Father's Forename: James
Mother's Forename: Jane
Father's Occupation: Schoolmaster
Year: 1835
Month: Jul
Day: 8
Abode: Exmouth In Withecombe
Parish: Withycombe Raleigh
Town Or City:
County: Devon
Record source: Devon Baptisms - Transcripts

EDIT: This child almost certainly died, but was his name recycled for a later child?

Surname: Mansfield
Forename: James
Age: 7 Months
Year: 1836
Month: Jan
Day: 14
Notes: Of Exmouth In Withycombe
Parish: Withycombe Raleigh
Town Or City:
County: Devon
Record source: Devon Burials - Transcripts
Data provider: Devon Family History Society

Names reversed on census 1901 and Lindley has now become 'son'.

Address: 88, High Street, Ilfracombe
County: Devonshire

MANSFIELD, John James Head Married M 60 1841 General Ironmonger
Exmouth, Devonshire
MANSFIELD, Maria Baker Wife Married F 61 1840 Barnstaple, Devonshire
MANSFIELD, Lindley Charles Son Single M 28 1873 General Ironmonger Barnstaple, Devonshire
BENNETT, Beatrice Servant Single F 21 1880 General Servant Domestic Caombmartin, Devonshire

EDIT: Totally random thought, but might Maria Baker Mansfield be related to the Maria Baker who married John Bridgman/Brideman 13th may 1837 Barnstaple (see page 1 of thread) ?