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I have been looking for my gt gt grandfather John Parker born abt 1822 in Manchester and I wasnt sure of my gt gt grandmother Anns maiden name she was born abt 1827. I have found their marriage in 1845 in the Church which is now the Manchester Cathedral. Her maiden name I have now found was Johnson but the strange part is that on the census he is named John but on the marriage certificate it gives his name as William. Their first child is named William but why on the census is his father named John.
Any ideas.
Jean

How do you know you have found the right marriage (certificate) for the couple?

Did you get Ann's maiden name from the birth cert of one of her children?

Is this the right family, to give helpers a starting point?

Census 1851:

Address: 7, Cotton Street, Broughton, Salford County: Lancashire

PARKER, John Head Married M 29 1822 Journeyman Dyer Manchester, Lancashire
PARKER, Ann Wife Married F 24 1827 Salford, Lancashire
PARKER, William Son M 5 1846 Scholar Salford, Lancashire
PARKER, George Son M 4 1847 Salford, Lancashire
PARKER, Ann Daughter F 3 1848 Salford, Lancashire
PARKER, John Son M 0 (8 MOS) 1851 Broughton, Lancashire

Here is a John Parker marrying an Ann in Manchester at about the right time (also in 1845)


Surname Forename(s) Spouse's Surname Spouse's Forename(s) Year Church / Register Office Registers At Region


PRIESTMAN Ann
PARKER John
1845 Manchester Collegiate Church (later Manchester Cathedral) Manchester Lancashire CATH/46/293

1861- London Road Manchester

John Parker 40 - iron driller - Manchester
Ann Parker 34 - Manchester
William Parker 16
George Parker 14
Ann Parker 13
John Parker 11
Mary Parker 7
Joseph Parker 2
James Parker 9 Months

Yes, Kucinta I was looking at that marriage too....

This I think is that John & Ann in the 1881 census


Name: John Parker
Age: 58
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1823
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann Parker
Gender: Male
Where born: Salford, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Broughton in Salford
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address: 46 Harrison St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Dyer At Factory (...)

Registration district: Salford
Sub-registration district: Broughton
ED, institution, or vessel: 11a
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3952
Folio: 84
Page Number: 14
Household Members:
Name Age
John Parker 58
Ann Parker 58
Harry Parker 17
James Priestman 38 Nephew
Louisa Priestman 39 Niece in law
Elizabeth Phillips 40 Boarder

As you say, need to make sure that we are looking for the right John & Ann!

John Parker's father was Joseph.
What does your marriage cert say for William's father ?

Your 1881 census with the same occupation for John as in 1851, and with the Priestman relatives looks very good, Londonbelle.

Certianly ties together well with the Parker-Priestman marriage of 1845.

Same family in 1871? John a dubber in a cotton mill.

Address: Portugal Street, Manchester
County: Lancashire

PARKER, John Head M 49 1822 Lancashire
PARKER, Ann Wife F 44 1827 Lancashire
PARKER, Mary Hellen Daughter F 16 1855 Lancashire
PARKER, Joseph Son M 13 1858 Lancashire
PARKER, James Son M 11 1860 Lancashire
PARKER, Elizebeth Daughter F 9 1862 Lancashire
PARKER, Herbert Son M 4 1867 Lancashire
PARKER, Emma Daughter F 1 1870 Lancashire

Possible families in 1841?

Address: Clayton Street, Manchester, Salford County: Lancashire

PRIESTMAN, James M 40 1801 out of county tin plate worker
PRIESTMAN, Agnes F 40 1801 out of county
PRIESTMAN, Ann F 15 1826 Lancashire
PRIESTMAN, Elisabeth F 10 1831 Lancashire
PRIESTMAN, John M 9 1832 Lancashire
PRIESTMAN, Agnes F 7 1834 Lancashire
PRIESTMAN, Sarah F 5 1836 Lancashire
GIBSON, Ann F 20 1821 Lancashire


John Parker is a very common name...

???? (also living in salford in 1841)


Address: Blackburn Place, Manchester, Salford County: Lancashire

???, Joseph M 40 1801
???, Sarah F 40 1801
PARKER, John M 18 1823 Lancashire
PARKER, James M 14 1827 Lancashire
PARKER, Thomas M 12 1829 Lancashire
PARKER, William M (-)
PARKER, Robert M (-) Lancashire
???, Mary F (-) Lancashire

The image for the above transcription is exceedingly faint.

EDIT: I partly went for this one as Joseph and Sarah may have been the parents, but wondered where you got Joseph as being John's father, Mike?

Trouble with the 1841 census ia that age could be out by up to 4 yrs, and we are dealing with such a common name.

There seems to be a link between James Priestman 'nephew' to the Parkers in 1881 as posted by Londonbelle, and the family I think is Ann Priestman's, in census 1841 as I posted earlier.

Census 1881

Address: 46, Harrison St, Broughton County: Lancashire

PARKER, John Head Married M 58 1823 Dyer At Factory (?)Salford, Lancashire
PARKER, Ann Wife Married F 58 1823 Salford, Lancashire
PARKER, Harry Son Single M 17 1864 Dyers Latimer (Under)
Macclesfield, Cheshire
PRIESTMAN, James Nephew Single M 38 1843 Drayman (Carter)
Salford, Lancashire<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
PRIESTMAN, Louisa Niece In Law Married F 39 1842
Salford, Lancashire
PHILLIPS, Elizabeth Boarder Married F 40 1841 Servant Day
Whitchurch, Shropshire


Census 1851:

Address: Rockley Street, Pendleton County: Lancashire
(on image given as city or borough of Salford)

PRIESTMAN, Agnes Head Widowed F 5- Housekeeper London<<<<<
PRIESTMAN, Jane Dau Unmarried F 27 1824 Cotton Weaver Pendleton, Lancashire
PRIESTMAN, James Son M 7 1844 ScholarPendleton, Lancashire<<<
PRIESTMAN, Alice Dau F 5 1846 Illegible Pendleton, Lancashire<<<
PRIESTMAN, Mary Illegible Pendleton, Lancashire
PRIESTMAN, Illegible Illegible Illegible


Note on the 1841 census Agnes was not born in county (Lancashire) so this would fit with her birthplace of London in 1851.

EDIT: Seems the children actually belong to Jane born 1824, not Agnes, so 'nephew' would be correct:

Census 1861:

Address: 3, Windsor Terrace, Salford County: Lancashire

PRIESTMAN, Jane Head Married F 37 1824 House Keeper
Salford, Lancashire
PRIESTMAN, James Son Unmarried M 17 1844 Porter...Salford, Lancashire
PRIESTMAN, Jane Daughter F 15 1846 Scholar Salford, Lancashire
PRIESTMAN, Mary Daughter F 13 1848 Scholar Salford, Lancashire
PRIESTMAN, Emma Daughter F 11 1850 Scholar Salford, Lancashire
PRIESTMAN, John Whallen Son M 8 1853 Scholar Salford, Lancashire
PRIESTMAN, Thomas ... Son M 5 1856 Scholar Salford, Lancashire
PRIESTMAN, Henry Whalley Son M 1 1860 Salford, Lancashire

Did another member of the Priestman family, namely Mary born c1848, marry into the Parker family?

Census 1871:

Address: Valentine Street, Pendleton, Salford
County: Lancashire

PARKER, Joseph Head M 21 1850 Lancashire - Salford
PARKER, Mary Wife F 23 1848 Lancashire - Pendleton
PARKER, John Albert Son M 2 1869 Lancashire - Salford
PARKER, James Henry Son M 0 1871 Lancashire - Pendleton
PRIESTMAN, Jane Mother-In-Law F 47 1824 Lancashire - Salford
PRIESTMAN, James Son M 27 1844 Lancashire
PARKER, James Bro To Head M 19 1852 Lancashire
PARKER, Henry Bro To Head M 7 1864 Cheshire

Marriage:

PRIESTMAN Mary
PARKER Joseph
1869 Salford Register Office or Registrar Attended
Salford Lancashire SAL/21/173

OH NO!!!!!!!

OK - looks like TWO John Parkers (dyer) born c1822/23 were both married to an Ann.

This one has the son Joseph who probably married Mary Priestman, so it probably also means his mother is the Ann Priestman who married John Parker in 1845, and they are NOT the right family if Jean wants the family with son William born 1848.

Family with William 1848 in census 1851 posted by me towards beginning of thread living at 7, Cotton Street, Broughton, Salford County: Lancashire.

This family:

Census 1851


Address: 1, Chestnut Street, Manchester
County: Lancashire

PARKER, John Head Married F 29 1822 Silk Dyer Salford, Lancashire
PARKER, Ann Wife Married F 2- Salford, Lancashire
PARKER, Agnes Dau F 5 1846 Salford, Lancashire
PARKER, Joseph Son M 1 1850 Salford, Lancashire<<<<

Which sadly leaves Jean's original question unanswered :-(

this is the Johnson / Parker marriage

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1845
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
PARKER * William JOHNSON Ann Manchester Collegiate Church (later Manchester Cathedral) Manchester CATH/47/191
PARKER * William OLDHAM Ann Manchester Collegiate Church (later Manchester Cathedral) Manchester CATH/47/191

according to freebmd Ann married in the name of Oldham which means this marriage either was her 2nd marriage or her father gave his name as Johnson. does the certificate you have say she was a widow?

Jean
have you got your gt grandfather's birth certificate which would tell you who his parents were and his mother's maiden name. Without that as it is a common surname you could be following entirely the wrong family

One of the John Parkers cant be the one Im looking for as the 1881 census that has a member of the Priestman family in it cant be right as there is no mention of John and Anns youngest daughter Emma born abt 1869.

I have the birth certificate of Emma Parker the youngest child of John and Ann Parker. It states the mothers name was formerly Johnson and in 1869 they were then living at 93 Chapel Street Manchester

The one with the Priestman family in 1881 is definitely not right, that is the one whose son Joseph married Mary Priestman, and the parents are probably the John Parker and Ann Priestman who married in 1845.

It's quite confusing that both Johns were born around the same time, and at some point in their lives were both dyers.

I think this is your family in 1881, comparing the names to the family in the 1871 census I posted earlier in the thread, where John was a dubber in a cotton mill, and the family were living in Portugal Street.

Census 1881:

Address: 17, Black Abbey St, Accrington County: Lancashire

PARKER, Jno Head Married M 59 1822 Iron Labourer Manchester, Lancashire
PARKER, Ann Wife Married F 53 1828 Manchester, Lancashire
PARKER, James Son Single M 29 1852 Print Works Labourer (UnemployedManchester, Lancashire
PARKER, Eliz Daughter Single F 18 1863 Card Room Hand (Cotton)
Manchester, Lancashire
PARKER, Herbert Son Single M 13 1868 Prnt Works Labourer Manchester, Lancashire
PARKER, Emma Daughter Single F 11 1870 Scholar Manchester, Lancashire
MAKINSON, Jas Grand Son Single M 3 1878 Scholar Accrington, Lancashire


EDIT: Jas Makinson, grand son, is almost certainly the child of Mary Ellen Parker, daur of John and Ann.

Marriage:

MAKINSON James
PARKER Mary E
1873 Ancoats, St. Andrew Manchester
Lancashire 16/2/378

Another Parker - Johnson marriage.

Well, we have William Parker marrying Ann Oldham nee Johnson,

Just to muddy the waters further we also have a John Parker marrying a Teresa Johnson.

PARKER John
JOHNSON Teresa
1844 Eccles Parish St Mary\'s Salford
Lancashire C1/6/466

Can't find a Teresa Parker with a John Parker in 1851.

William was used as a name for one of John and Ann's children, but Teresa wasn't.