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evening everyone
just put the scrummy granson too bed so am back to the grind

i was also confused about the kathleen /catherine but ii feel its the right person as it gave the same address that was on margarets marriage cert as was mentioned in the obituary in the paper
i think i should have looked to see if there was anymore obits in the days following the obituary i found in the paper i have too go into leeds again in the morning so i will pop in & have another look see what turns up but have sent for margarets death cert today but said it won,t be sent till after the new year (boo hoo ) lol

but once again would like too thank you all for all your time & help & infomation

jacky :-)

Souter is definitely a Scottish name - lots on the 1901 census, mainly from the North East areas (Aberdeen, Angus, Moray).

I wonder why Margaret and her siblings aren't mentioned in her mother's obit?

Can't find a marriage for Catherine/Kathleen Souter and George Bowman on scotlandspeople.

???

Name: Kathleen E M Souter
Mother's Maiden Name: Kemp
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1912
Registration district: Dover
Inferred County: Kent
Volume: 2a
Page: 2014

but her death is reg as Kathleen not Catherine ???

afternoon everyone
well have got details of kathleen bowmans obit from the old news paper at the libaary they are as follows

catherine bowman

aged 49 died on the 2nd nov 1962 she was the wife of gerge bowman & the daughter of mr & mrs souter & loviung sister of lizzie bridget & molly & james & ellen & loving sister in law of linda & maysie

thats all that it says apart from fural details

just going to pick up the grandson & then i.ll check back in

many thanks in advance

:-)

thank you stuart
your a star for looking thanks so much for your time i just knew it was goin to be hard with a name like wilson HA HA


on a lighter note i have found another child for margaret & her hubby john wilson the mmn was badly mispelt so have a little smile on my face today
once again thanks everyone :-)

Margaret Bowman is not an unusual name in Scotland - there are 5 births in 1934, but only 1 plain Margaret no second name. No guarantee it's your Margaret, no further details, not even month or quarter to see apart from as below.There is no image to view due to timeline but the certificate is available to order.

No Year Surname Forename Sex District City/County/MR GROS Data
3 1934 BOWMAN MARGARET F OLD OR WEST KILPATRICK /DUNBARTON 501/00 0973

Scotlands People is a Pay to view site - £7 for 30 credits, but you can order certificates online

No marriage matches George Bowman to Kathleen

thanks reggie
am going to order the cert today so fingers crossed & hopefully i.ll be back with a little more infomation once it arrives
once again thanks so much for your help & advice :-)

English death certs do not contain parental details

But, as I stated, her birthplace will be recorded, and you have to hope that the person who registered the death had accurate info.

morning
firstly i must say sorry for vanishing so quickly yesterday but my little grandson arrived unexspected & him & my pc don,t mix he wants to press all the buttons lol
rite back to the thread

potty
i have margarets marriage cert with george,s name on it & he has no middle names & reggie found what we think is a good match for the death of her mother kathleen i,m going to check that out later to comfim its the right one as the records are free too look at in the leeds libaray and she also did,t have any middle names on the death reg that reggie found so don,t think that is them but i,m working so far on the point that reggie pointed out that she may not have been born in england its so frustrating but thank you so much for your time potty

reggie
yes the death cert is the next step i think but will that give her place of birth & her mothers maiden name ????

many many thanks everyone for your time .advice & help & infomation

jacky :-)

I think you'd be wise to invest in Margaret's death cert.......to find out her birthplace

There is no suggestion of a second forename in her death registration

This may be completely off the wall, but the only marriage for a George Bowman to a Kathleen 1920-1940 is this one:

Marriages Dec 1937 (>99%)

Bowman George W D Stone Willesden 3a 939
Stone Kathleen B Bowman Willesden 3a 939

and there is this birth:

Births Sep 1935
Stone Margaret J Stone Islington ? See J'48 - birth registered late

Stone Margaret J Stone Islington 5c 1554

Possible births for the above marriage:

Births Jun 1938 (>99%)
Bowman Paul Stone Marylebone 1a 735

Births Mar 1940 (>99%)
Bowman Kathleen Stone Coventry 6d 1501

Thomas could be 1966 Dewsbury . try FreeBMD for his birth record

yes this is the right death registration as it mentioned all her children in the obit but doesn,t mentioned her hubby john in the obit so am thinking they may have split up but also in the obit it says she had 7 children of only 5 i can find births for can,t find her daughter julie wilson birth reg or another of her son,s tommy/thomas very frustrating at times not finding what your lookinmg for they proberbly having a good laugh at me up there
thank you :-)

England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2006

Name: Margaret Wilson
Birth Date: 6 May 1934
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1975
Age at Death: 41
Registration district: Leeds
Inferred County: West Yorkshire
Volume: 5
Page: 0403

thank you so much for that it looks like a very good match too me may have too go back & look at the obits again at the leeds libarary
once again thank you

hi reggie
yes i agree she could have been born out of wedlock have just been looking into that also a good point about her not been born in england
thaks for your time & infomation

????????

England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2006

Name: Kathleen Bowman
Birth Date: abt 1913
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1962
Age at Death: 49
Registration district: Leeds
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume: 2c
Page: 332

Unfortunately, the death is too early for the maiden name and birthplace to be recorded on the death cert........

Margaret may not, as I intimated earlier, have been born in England/Wales.

She could also have been born before her mother married

Have you tried to find a death for Kathleen?

thanks potty
i have not got the death cert i just went & looked up the obit too see what it said & it wasn,t giving a lot away
you could be right about her been married before
will have a nother closer look
thanks :-)