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Could anyone help me find the parents of Matilda Smith b 1847 Hitchen, Herts. Married to William Barnes b 1846 please. Also the maiden name of William Barnes mother.
Thanks

Which census have you found them on ?

Where and when was William born ?

Marriages Sep 1865 (>99%)
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Barnes William Gutheridge Hitchin 3a 399
MOULDEN Joseph Hitchin 3a 399
Smith Matilda Hitchin 3a 399
Starr Mary Hitchin 3a 399

Is that the right marriage as you make no mention of a middle name ?

1871 in the right area and married ?

Name: William Barnes
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Stockport, Cheshire, England
Civil parish: Hitchin
Town: Hitchin
County/Island: Hertfordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Hitchin
Sub-registration district: Hitchin
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Household schedule number: 121
Piece: 1368
Folio: 16
Page Number: 23
Household Members: Name Age
William Mead 38
Louisa Mead 38
Charles Mead 17
Martha Mead 13
James Rockwood 18
William Barnes 27

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William Barnes
England and Wales Census, 1871
birth: 1848 Hitchin,? Hertfordshire
residence: 1871 Devonport,? Stoke Damerel,? Devonshire,? England


name: William Barnes
event: Census
event date: 1871
gender: Male
age: 23
relationship to head of household: Private
birthplace: Hitchin, Hertfordshire
record type: Institution
registration district: Stoke Damerel
sub-district: St Aubyn
event parish: Stoke Damerel
county: Devonshire

William Barnes
England and Wales Census, 1871
birth: 1844 Stockport,? Cheshire
residence: 1871 Hitchin,? Hitchin,? Hertfordshire,? England


name: William Barnes
event: Census
event date: 1871
gender: Male
age: 27
relationship to head of household: Lodger
birthplace: Stockport, Cheshire
registration district: Hitchin
sub-district: Hitchin
event parish: Hitchin
county: Hertfordshire

William was born in 1846 in Weston, Herts and they were married in 1865. 1861 census he was working with his brother Charles as a groom

1881 just for ref

Name: William Barnes
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Matilda Barnes
Gender: Male
Where born: Weston, Hertfordshire, England

Civil parish: St Albans St Peter
County/Island: Hertfordshire
Country: England

Street Address: L Colney
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Ag Lab

Registration district: St Albans
Sub-registration district: St Albans
ED, institution, or vessel: 4b
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1432
Folio: 11
Page Number: 16
Household Members: Name Age
William Barnes 36
Matilda Barnes 38
Sarah A. Smith 17
Tom Barnes 15
Mary L. Barnes 13
John Barnes 9
Martha M. Barnes
Isiah Barnes 5

1871 ??

Name: Sarah A Smith
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relation: Granddaughter
Gender: Female
Where born: Weston, Hertfordshire, England
Civil parish: Weston
County/Island: Hertfordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Hitchin
Sub-registration district: Baldock
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Household schedule number: 44
Piece: 1366
Folio: 39
Page Number: 9
Household Members: Name Age
William Smith 63 - Langley, Essex
Deborough Smith 63
Sarah A Smith 7

Name: Deborah Tompdon
Gender: Female
Spouse's Name: William Smith
Marriage Date: 20 Jun 1830
Marriage Place: Weston, Hertfordshire, England


Name: Deborah Tompson
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 4 Sep 1808
Christening Place: Weston, Hertfordshire, England
Father's Name: Richard Tompson
Mother's Name: Sarah

Who does Matilda name as her father on the marriage cert ?

1851 ?
Name: William Barns
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Benjamin Barns
Mother's Name: Mary Barns
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Weston, Hertfordshire, England

Civil parish: Weston
County/Island: Hertfordshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Hitchin
Sub-registration district: Baldock
ED, institution, or vessel: 10c
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 58
Piece: 1709
Folio: 181
Page Number: 13
Household Members: Name Age
Benjamin Barns 26
Mary Barns 27
William Barns 5
Charles Barns 2

Class: HO107; Piece: 1709; Folio: 181; Page: 13; GSU roll: 193617.

Name: William Gutteridge Baines
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 4 Jan 1846
Christening Place: Weston, Hertfordshire, England
Father's Name: Benjamin Baines
Mother's Name: Mary

Name: Mary Ann Gutteridge
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 19 Jun 1825
Christening Place: Weston, Hertfordshire, England
Father's Name: William Gutteridge
Mother's Name: Elizabeth


Name: Mary Ann Gutteridge
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1845
Registration district: Hitchin
Inferred County: Hertfordshire
Volume Number: 6
Page Number: 669


Shows as possible groom of Benjamin Baines ??




Name: Benjamin Barns
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 1 Feb 1824
Christening Place: Weston, Hertfordshire, England
Father's Name: James Barns
Mother's Name: Ann

1851 keep looking at this one but not sure her father is Edward ?
Name: Matilda Smith
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Relation: Granddaughter
Father's Name: Edward Stanford
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Graveley, Hertfordshire, England

Civil parish: Little Wymondley
County/Island: Hertfordshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Hitchin
Sub-registration district: Baldock
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 40
Piece: 1709
Folio: 320
Page Number: 14
Household Members: Name Age
Ann Stanford 54
Edward Stanford 20
Matilda Smith 3

Class: HO107; Piece: 1709; Folio: 320; Page: 14; GSU roll: 193617.

1861 this time shown as niece
Name: Matilda Smith
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Relation: Niece
Gender: Female
Where born: Graveley, Hertfordshire, England

Civil parish: Little Wymondley
County/Island: Hertfordshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Hitchin
Sub-registration district: Baldock
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 57
Piece: 817
Folio: 124
Page Number: 11
Household Members: Name Age
Ann Stanford 66
Matilda Smith 12

Clutching at straws with this suggestion

Marriages Jun 1850 (>99%)
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Arnold Mary Anne Hitchen 6 813
Bluffill William Hitchin 6 813
Farey John Hitchin 6 813
Lincoln George Hitchin 6 813
Paine Sarah Anne Hitchin 6 813
Smith James Hitchin 6 813
Stanford Emma Hitchin 6 813
WATSON Charlotte Hitchin 6 813



1841
Name: Ann Stanford
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1801
Gender: Female
Where born: Hertfordshire, England

Civil parish: Little Wymondley
Hundred: Broadwater
County/Island: Hertfordshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: View image

Registration district: Hitchin
Sub-registration district: Baldock
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 437
Book: 13
Folio: 8
Page Number: 9
Household Members: Name Age
Ann Stanford 40
Emma Stanford 20
Edward Stanford 10

Class: HO107; Piece: 437; Book: 13; Civil Parish: Little Wymondley; County: Hertfordshire; Enumeration District: 21; Folio: 8; Page: 9; Line: 6; GSU roll: 288826.


1851?
Name: Emma Smith
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: James Smith
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Great Wymondley, Hertfordshire, England

Civil parish: Little Wymondley
County/Island: Hertfordshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Hitchin
Sub-registration district: Baldock
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 34
Piece: 1709
Folio: 319
Page Number: 12
Household Members: Name Age
James Smith 34 - occupation of carpenter
Emma Smith 30

Class: HO107; Piece: 1709; Folio: 319; Page: 12; GSU roll: 193617.

Burial (Find My Past)

First name(s): Edward
Last name: STANFORD
Date of burial 17 Dec 1840
Age at death: 47
Calculated year of birth: 1793
Place of burial Little Wymondley
Dedication: St Mary the Virgin
County: Hertfordshire
Little Wymondley St Mary the Virgin:
Denomination: Anglican
Coverage 1800 - 1851
Data provider: Hertfordshire Family & Population History


1851
STANFORD, Ann Head Widow F 54 1797 Tea Dealer
Kimpton, Hertfordshire
STANFORD, Edward Son Unmarried M 20 1831 Straw Plat Dealer
Gt Wymondley, Hertfordshire
SMITH, Matilda Grand Daughter F 3 1848 Butchers Daughter
Graveley, Hertfordshire
Piece: 1709
Folio: 320
Page: 14
Registration District: Hitchin
Civil Parish: Little Wymondley
Municipal Borough:
Address: Village, Little Wymondley
County: Hertfordshire

(looking again at 1851, wonder if Burial above, was husband of Ann)

Chris :)


Ed Stanford of Great Wymondley Ann Peacock Ippollitts 22 Jan 1818

(possible Marriage, from below link)


https://www.hertsdirect.org/ufs/ufsmain?formid=HALS_INDEXES


1871 ?
BARNS, William G Head M 24 1847 Hertfordshire (Weston) Soldier
BARNS, Matilda Wife F 25 1846 Not Known
BARNS, Jesse Son M 5 1866 Hertfordshire
BARNS, Mary Louisa Daughter F 2 1869 Hertfordshire
Piece: 2131
Folio: 73
Page: 59
Registration District: Stoke Damerel
Civil Parish: Stoke Damerel
Municipal Borough: Devonport
Address: Pembroke Street, Stoke Damerel, Devonport
County: Devonshire


England & Wales Christening Records, 1530-1906
Name: Josiah Barnes
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 6 Jan 1877
Christening Date: 5 Oct 1879
Christening Place: Colney, Hertfordshire, England
Age at Christening: 2
Father's Name: William Gutteridge Barnes
Mother's Name: Matilda

Mariage
Name: Martha Matilda Barnes
Gender: Female
Birth Date: abt 1878
Age: 23
Father's Name: William Guttridge Barnes
Spouse's Name: James John Mayes
Spouse's Age: 23
Spouse's Father's Name: James Edward Mayes
Marriage Date: 9 Nov 1901
Marriage Place: Colney, Hertfordshire, England

Marriage
Name: Beatrice Barnes
Gender: Female
Birth Date: abt 1882
Age: 20
Father's Name: William Guttridge Barnes
Spouse's Name: Fredrick William Toms
Spouse's Age: 20
Spouse's Father's Name: Frederick Toms
Marriage Date: 22 Mar 1902
Marriage Place: Frogmore, Hertfordshire, England

Still need to know if Matilda gives a name for her father on marriage cert

(agrees with GB there, on the need to know!)


http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1315485

Chris :)

Well that was a waste of my time then

I do wish members would keep to one thread per family !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!