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WEBB is such a common NAME

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Elaine

Elaine Report 18 Dec 2012 04:58

WHY can't I find James WEBB in AUSTRALIA on the ship MALABAR 1819. Lost him after 1923 when he got his ticket of leave. He then was released to his wife Grace who was then living on Kent street NSW in 1823. PLEASE HELP

Penny

Penny Report 18 Dec 2012 05:51

Your dates are all over the place!

Lorraine

Lorraine Report 18 Dec 2012 06:55

Hi Elaine...James is still on the General Muster for 1828...
haven't found anything else at present...

kind regards, Lorraine in sunny Cairns.

Penny, Elaine only made a mistake with the year...1923 instead of 1823..

BeverleyW

BeverleyW Report 18 Dec 2012 07:31

Either of these could be him

New South Wales deaths:
V18311548 15/1831 WEBB JAMES AGE 53
V18351789 19/1835 WEBB JAMES AGE 46

Gee

Gee Report 18 Dec 2012 09:16

Hi Elaine

Do you have a year of birth for James and parents?

BeverleyW

BeverleyW Report 18 Dec 2012 19:02

James Webb, one of 170 convicts transported on the Malabar, 14 June 1819
Name, Aliases & Gender
Name: James Webb
Aliases: none
Gender: m

Birth, Occupation & Death
Date of Birth: 1774
Occupation: Labourer
Date of Death: 1831
Age: 57 years


Sentenced to Life
Crime: Stealing a horse & saddle
Convicted at: Berks Assizes
Sentence term: Life
Ship: Malabar
Departure date: 14th June, 1819
Arrival date*: 14th February, 1820
Place of arrival New South Wales
Passenger manifest Travelled with 169 other convicts

http://www.convictrecords.com.au/convicts/webb/james/67759

alviegal

alviegal Report 18 Dec 2012 20:46

Could this be him? Explains why you can't find him.

First Family Member Details
Surname: WEBB
Given Name(s): JAMES
Occupation(s): SAWYER

Birth Details
Birth County,
Region, Province: WILTSHIRE
Birth Country: ENGLAND
Birth Date: 1779

Death Details
Death Town: SYDNEY
Death State/Territory: NSW
Death Country: AUSTRALIA
Death Date: 1831

Immigration Details
Air/Port Landed: SYDNEY
Ship/Plane: MACABAR 1
Year Arrived: 1819

Surname: SKIPPAGER ?
Given Name(s): GRACE

Birth Details
Birth County,
Region, Province: WILTSHIRE
Birth Country: ENGLAND
Birth Date: 1780

Death Details
Death Town: SYDNEY
Death State/Territory: NSW
Death Country: AUSTRALIA
Death Date: 1830

Immigration Details
Air/Port Landed: SYDNEY
Ship/Plane: JUPITER
Year Arrived: 1823

alviegal

alviegal Report 18 Dec 2012 20:52

According to this, he was a sawyer from Wilts.


New South Wales, Australia, Tickets of Leave, 1824-1867 about James Webb
Name: James Webb
Birth Year: 1779
Origin: Wilts
Ticket Date: 18 Aug 1828
Immigration Year: 1819
Vessel: Malabar (1)

Ozibird

Ozibird Report 18 Dec 2012 21:01

Not sure if you're aware of all this.




http://www.wikitree.com/genealogy/Skippager-Family-Tree-1
It doesn't give much info on James & Grace, but there's a bit about one of their sons.


Also from familysearch.org

England, Marriages, 1538–1973
groom's name: James Webb
bride's name: Grace Skippage
marriage date: 12 May 1801
marriage place: Hadstock, Essex, England
indexing project (batch) number: M04323-1

Ozibird

Ozibird Report 18 Dec 2012 21:02

England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
name: Grace Skippage
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 26 Sep 1779
baptism/christening place: HADSTOCK, ESSEX, ENGLAND
father's name: John Skippage
mother's name: Susanna
indexing project (batch) number: C04323-1

Ozibird

Ozibird Report 18 Dec 2012 21:35

Children of James & Grace: father's name: James Webb, mother's name: Grace Skippage

England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975: baptism/christening place: HADSTOCK, ESSEX, ENGLAND; indexing project (batch) number: C04323-1

name: Mary Webb (This entry just has Grace with no surname for mother.)
baptism/christening date: 15 Aug 1802

name: Martha Webb
baptism/christening date: 25 Dec 1804

name: Elisabeth Webb
baptism/christening date: 21 Jun 1807

name: Anne Webb
baptism/christening date: 06 Aug 1809

name: John Webb
baptism/christening date: 26 Jul 1812


Also before the marriage, no father's name.
name: Charles Skippage
baptism/christening date: 25 Nov 1798
baptism/christening place: HADSTOCK, ESSEX, ENGLAND
mother's name: Grace Skippage

Marked As Answer Marked as Answered

Ozibird

Ozibird Report 18 Dec 2012 21:35

England, Marriages, 1538–1973
groom's name: John Skippage
bride's name: Susan Bright
marriage date: 12 Oct 1778
marriage place: Hadstock, Essex, England
indexing project (batch) number: M04323-1


Siblings of Grace: father's name: John Skippage, mother's name: Susanna

England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975: baptism/christening place: HADSTOCK, ESSEX, ENGLAND; indexing project (batch) number: C04323-1

name: Sarah Skippage
baptism/christening date: 11 Mar 1781

name: Susanna Skippage
baptism/christening date: 06 Feb 1785

name: John Skippage
baptism/christening date: 18 Feb 1787

name: Martha Skippage
baptism/christening date: 23 Apr 1789

name: Esther Skippage
baptism/christening date: 18 Sep 1796

name: Mary Bright Skippage
baptism/christening date: 02 Feb 1794

name: Anne Skippage
baptism/christening date: 15 Jul 1798
death date: 02 Jul 1799

name: Anne Skippage
baptism/christening date: 13 Jul 1800

Ozibird

Ozibird Report 18 Dec 2012 21:58

Only posting this because he was tried at the Berkshire Assizes.

name: James Webb
baptism/christening date: 21 Mar 1779
baptism/christening place: APPLEFORD, BERKSHIRE, ENGLAND
father's name: Joseph Webb
mother's name: Anne
indexing project (batch) number: C03647-1


and then there's this one which is only 12 miles from Hadstock.

name: James Webb
baptism/christening date: 17 Feb 1779
baptism/christening place: STETCHWORTH, CAMBRIDGE, ENGLAND
father's name: John Webb
mother's name: Mary
indexing project (batch) number: C13832-1

Ozibird

Ozibird Report 18 Dec 2012 22:08

Also there is this one, but I'm pretty sure he's on the 1851 census.

name: James Webb
baptism/christening date: 06 Jan 1778
baptism/christening place: BROMHAM, WILTSHIRE, ENGLAND
father's name: George Webb
mother's name: Joyce
indexing project (batch) number: C05432-1


England, Marriages, 1538–1973
James Webb
marriage: 1813 Broughton Gifford, Wiltshire, England
spouse: Mary Coollett

1851:
Jas Webb; Mary; abt 1779; Melksham, Wiltshire, England; Head; Broughton Gifford, Wiltshire
Melksham is 5 miles from Bromham.

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 19 Dec 2012 13:57

Baptism (Find My Past)

Day:17
Month:Feb
Year:1779
Forenames:James
Surname:Webb
Relationship:son of
Father forenames:John
Fathers occupation:blacksmith
Mother forenames:Mary
Birth Day:
Birth Month:
Birth Year:
Abode:
Place:Stetchworth
County:Cambridgeshire
Data provider:Cambridgeshire Family History Society

(from Ozi's posting, adding above)

Chris :)


http://genforum.genealogy.com/skippage/messages/2.html

(bit more Skippage on above)

Elaine

Elaine Report 21 Dec 2012 23:34

We have proved conclusively that our James Webb, our convict, did not marry Grace Skippage. So we are going back and are researching the James born to George and Joyce Webb the very same you have come up with. However his birth year of 1779 Bromham, Wiltshire, given on his ticket of leave, does not tally with his burial cerificate which gives his age of 53 when he was buried on 14th April 1831 in NSW. We are looking at this angle at the moment.
There is a baptism Jan 6 1778 (should that be 1778) That baptism could be our James. a worn 8 can look like a nine.
Thanking everyone for your input to date.

Elaine

Elaine Report 21 Dec 2012 23:42

and then there's this one which is only 12 miles from Hadstock.

name: James Webb
baptism/christening date: 17 Feb 1779
baptism/christening place: STETCHWORTH, CAMBRIDGE, ENGLAND
father's name: John Webb
mother's name: Mary
indexing project (batch) number: C13832-1

Have cut and pasted this report from you Ozibird. I find this particularly interesting as John and Mary feature in our family. along with Thomas, James and Robert. These names are what I look for when researching. George and Joyce have never figured in names in our family history. I have a gut feeling you have hit pay dirt here.

Elaine

Elaine Report 21 Dec 2012 23:53

Chris Ho
Just seen that posting you have added to. His dad was a blacksmith. Oh dear. probably not our James, mind you our James did steal a horse. He has been noted as a sawyer or labourer. Was this James a convict?

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 22 Dec 2012 07:39

Not really sure Elaine, Stetchworth, not far from Newmarket, Suffolk.
But not seeing a lot...

Chris :)

BeverleyW

BeverleyW Report 22 Dec 2012 07:55

Birth, Occupation & Death
Date of Birth: 1774 <<<<<<<<
Occupation: Labourer
Date of Death: 1831
Age: 57 years

Sentenced to Life
Crime: Stealing a horse & saddle
Convicted at: Berks Assizes

This is presumably where the d.o.b. came from, calculating backwards.
However the age at death is only accurate if the person reporting the death had good information.