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The Lowe family's emigration to Canada after 1908

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Isobel

Isobel Report 18 Dec 2012 13:26

I'm trying to find out when William and Catherine Lowe emigrated to Canada. Catherine was born in 1886 in Coatbridge Lanarkshire Scotland.

She married William Lowe in 1908 in Shetleston Glasgow.

I don't have access to passenger lists but there is a possiblity they travelled in 1911 (the evidence of this in on her 1964 death certificate from Vancouver which states she lived in the country for 43 years.

I would be interested to find out about her emigration and who she was going to stay with in Canada. Also she was a Canadian citizen, is there someone who can check these records for me please.

I would be very grateful for any help with Catherine as I have been trying to trace the family for some time now

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 18 Dec 2012 13:39

If she'd lived there 43 years in 1964 then that would have been around 1921 that they moved?

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 18 Dec 2012 13:43

A possible, but there were quite a few with that name went to Canada:

Passenger lists leaving UK 1890-1960

Name: Catherine LOWE
Date of departure: 25 September 1921
Port of departure: Glasgow
Destination port: Quebec
Destination country: Canada

Date of Birth: 1889 (calculated from age)
Age: 32
Marital Status:
Sex: Female
Occupation: H'wife
Notes:
Passenger recorded on: Page 8 of 11

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Ship: TUNISIAN
Official Number: 111248
Master's name: C W Hodder
Steamship Line: Canadian Pacific
Where bound: Montreal, Canada
Square feet: 9048
Registered tonnage: 6631
Passengers on voyage: 346

Lived 48 Buchanan Street, Baillieston. Travelling alone.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 18 Dec 2012 13:46

This is the arrival in Canada, some details match - some don't:

Canada, Ocean Arrivals (Form 30A), 1919-1924

Name: Mrs Catherine Lowe
Gender: Female
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Birth Place: Drumfark
Age: 32
Date of Arrival: 1921
Port of Arrival: Quebec
Port of Departure: Coatbridge, England
Ship Name: Tunisian

The form says her race is Irish but a Scottish citizen. Born Drumfark.

She was joining her husband William at 1826, 5th avenue, North Lethbridge, Alberta, Canada.

Her father was John Innes at 48 Buchanan Street, Scotland.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 18 Dec 2012 13:52

Isobel - what was Catherine's maiden name?

Can you tell us more about william - birth details, occupation, etc. ?

There are quite a few Catherine Lowe's so it will help make sure we trace the right one.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 18 Dec 2012 13:54

Is this her death record (you never mentioned a middle name, so not sure)

British Columbia, Canada, Death Index, 1872-1990

Name: Catherine Agnes Lowe
Gender: Female
Birth Year: abt 1887
Death Age: 77
Death Date: 9 Mar 1964
Death Location: Vancouver
Registration number: 1964-09-003952
BCA Number: B13265
GSU Number: 2033688

Isobel

Isobel Report 18 Dec 2012 14:08

Hi Marie Celeste

Sorry I can't count 43 from 64 = 11 doh. My arithmetic is terrible. 1921 fits perfectly.

You found her she was born in Drumpark which is in Lanarkshire Scotland, not far from where I live and her father was John Innes (I posted ages ago about him on GR) He emigrated in 1926 at the age of 64 with some of his children to Drumheller Alberta. I have Catherine's BC and there was no middle name but I have a copy of her DC sent to me today from Canada and she has the middle name Agnes. Lethbridge is where they settled.

I know she had at least one son he signed the death certificate but I can't make out his initials. She was living at East Georgia Street Vancouver when she died. She had lived in that :Province for 20 years, so it's possible she may have been in Alberta before that. Again is there any way to check that out?

I'm sooooo grateful for all your help with this post, thank you all very much for your hard work

She was Scottish as was her father and mother alhtough the family are originally Irish (her brother in Canada had such strong feelings towards his Irish heritage that he changed his name from Innes the Scottish spelling to Ennis the Irish spelling. He died in Vancouver in 1987 under the name Daniel Anthony ENNIS

I don't have details on her husband yet, just found out about him yesterday, will need to check Scotlandspeople for the 1908 marriage certificate. :-)

Isobel

Isobel Report 18 Dec 2012 14:12

MarieCeleste

Would it be possible for you to email me the copy of the passenger list to add to my tree please.

I can PM my email address?

Thank you

Isobel

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 18 Dec 2012 19:49

Hello Isabel, yes by all means send me a pm. I could try attaching the record to a pm but that seems a bit unpredictable lately!

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 18 Dec 2012 19:58

Wonder if this is William arriving in Canada ahead of Catherine?

Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
Name: William Lowe
Gender: Male
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886
Date of Arrival: 6 Aug 1920
Vessel: Pretorian
Port of Arrival: Quebec
Port of Departure: Glasgow, Scotland
Roll: T-14707

He was a miner, heading to Lethbridge to his sister Mrs McLuckie at 19th Street. He was accompanied by his mother Mrs Annie Lowe, a housekeeper age 61.

(The transcript of the outgoing record gives his birth year as 1889 but I can't view the original image).

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 18 Dec 2012 20:09

Just possibly because Catherine died there:

British Columbia, Canada, Death Index, 1872-1990
Name: William Lowe
Gender: Male
Birth Year: abt 1888
Death Age: 88
Death Date: 23 Dec 1976
Death Location: Vancouver
Registration number: 1976-09-019076
BCA Number: B13357
GSU Number: 2050570

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 18 Dec 2012 20:14

Not seeing any shipping records that match John Innes for 1926 .......

EDIT: Have found a record for Daniel Innes in 1926, age 20, travelling with a father John who is age 49??

This is the arrival:

Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
Name: John Innes
Gender: Male
Age: 49
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877 ??
Birth Country: Scotland
Date of Arrival: 25 Sep 1926
Vessel: Montclare
Port of Arrival: Montreal, Quebec
Port of Departure: Greenock, Scotland
Roll: T-14727

He was travelling with Margaret (28), Susan (24), Daniel (20) and Robert (3). He was going to his nephew Hugh Conroy in Drumheller. Contact in Scotland was son Wm Innes at 8 Rhinsdale Tce, Baillieston.

Definitely your John as have found outgoing record and address had been 48 Buchanan Street, Baillieston.

I might be mistaken (one of our Canadian experts may clarify) but it may have been perceived that there was an upper age limit for entry into Canada so John fibbed a bit! His age on Scottish census records ties in with what you state.

Isobel

Isobel Report 18 Dec 2012 21:49

Hi MarieCeleste

Thank you so much for all this wonderful information. I am very grateful to you for all your hard work. Yes that is my William travelling with his mother to Canada. Also my John arriving in 1926. John did fib about his age he was actually 64 (a big fib I would say).

Once John arrives in Drumheller, Alberta I lose track of him. Although Daniel dies in Vancouver after a name change to the Irish spelling of Innes which is ENNIS

Another wee fib Robert wasn't his son, no birth record in Scotland, I think he was the son of one of the others that travelled in 1926.

I will send you my email address by PM.

Thanks again :-)

mgnv

mgnv Report 18 Dec 2012 22:07

For the Dominion Survey coords of Lethbridge PO, do lookup at
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/post-offices/001001-100.01-e.php
Lethbridge Sec. 31, Twp. 8, R. 21, W4M

http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/western-land-grants/001007-100.01-e.php
but I didn't see any likely McLuckies - but Mrs M has a city addy, not a farm addy.
I didn't see any likely Lowes in W4 - but it's getting a bit late for him homesteading.
[The 4th meridian was the AB-SK border, and the 5th ran thru downtown Calgary.]

I don't see any McLuckie in Lethbridge didtrict in 1916 - Lethbrige was in Medicine Hat in 1911:
1911 census
Provinces/Districts
Alberta 4. Medicine Hat
Sub-District Number: Sub-District Description:
11 Townships 7, 8 in ranges 19, 20, 21 west of the 4th M
Lethbridge City consists of the following: Subdistrict 69 and 74 to 78 inclusive
[1921 won't be released until 2014]
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/genealogy/022-911.009-e.html

You can look up Pretorian 1920 at:
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/passenger/001045-100.01-e.php
You want image 14 of 20, but, typically, Ancestry has better resolution images than LAC for shipping lists.


https://familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1®ion=CANADA
name: Catherine Agnes Lowe
event: Death
event date: 09 Mar 1964
event place: Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
gender: Female
age: 77
marital status: Married
birth date: 16 Oct 1886
birthplace: , Scotland
father: John Innes
mother: Susan Docherty
spouse: William Lowe
indian band/tribe:
british columbia archives film number: B13265
film number: 2033688
digital folder number: 004479256
image number: 03004
registration number: 64-09-003952
Citing this Record
"British Columbia, Death Registrations, 1872-1986," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FLTV-97Q : accessed 18 Dec 2012), Catherine Agnes Lowe, 1964.


name: William Lowe
event: Death
event date: 23 Dec 1976
event place: Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
gender: Male
age: 89
marital status: Widowed
birth date: 14 Apr 1887
birthplace: Pailsey, Scotland
father:
mother:
spouse: Catherine Agnes Innes
indian band/tribe:
british columbia archives film number: B13357
film number: 2050570
digital folder number: 004479374
image number: 01440
registration number: 76 09 019076
Citing this Record
"British Columbia, Death Registrations, 1872-1986," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FLBT-22P : accessed 18 Dec 2012), William Lowe, 1976.


One can also ;ook up BC BMDs at:
http://search.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/sn-2B2FBA7/gbsearch/Births,Marriages,Deaths
A paper copy from microfilm may be obtained from the BC Archives by credit card. A charge applies - see fee for Specific Citation Package. Prepayment is required.
http://www.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/sn-2B2FBA7/services/servops/copies.htm
The price list link is broken - contact them directly via:
http://www.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/sn-2B2FBA7/services/servops/contacts.htm#conventional



Almost everyone who died in Vancouver at this time is buried in Mountain View Cemetery - try googling it.

Isobel

Isobel Report 18 Dec 2012 22:15

Hi mgnv

thank you so much for all the information and the links. I know Catherine William their son Patrick (who actually Catherine's young brother) Just found this out a few hours ago, are all buried in Forest Lawn, Burnaby. Will do a lot of googling tomorrow. I live in Scotland and it;s bedtime here.

Thanks a million for everything you sent

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 18 Dec 2012 22:53

Could a middle name have snuck in somewhere?

British Columbia, Canada, Death Index, 1872-1990
Name: John Clarke Innes
Gender: Male
Birth Year: abt 1864
Death Age: 77
Death Date: 13 Jan 1941
Death Location: Vancouver
Registration number: 1941-09-583450
BCA Number: B13170
GSU Number: 1953630

Isobel

Isobel Report 18 Dec 2012 23:07

It's possible Marie. Had a look at my tree don't see a Clarke in his line, but that's not to say there isn't one.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 18 Dec 2012 23:34

Ignore that death - according to Family Search he was born in Ontario

Isobel

Isobel Report 19 Dec 2012 09:26

will do, thanks Marie