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Sandra

Sandra Report 18 Dec 2012 14:46

I am hoping to find out some more information on Samuel Hodgetts born 1895 in Wigan Lancs who was killed in 1916. Could anyone who has access to the relevant records help me please?

Maddie

Maddie Report 18 Dec 2012 15:09

is this him

Soldiers Died in the Great War 1914-1919 - soldier details
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Name: Samuel HODGETTS
Memorial Scroll
Purchase scroll

Rank: DVR.
Initials: S
Birthplace: Wigan
Residence:
Enlisted: Wigan
Regiment, Corps etc.: Royal Horse Artillery and Royal Field Artillery
Battalion etc.:
Number: 73776
Date died: 4 October 1916
How died: Killed in action
Theatre of war: France & Flanders
Supplementary Notes:
Soldiers Died in the Great War database © Naval and Military Press Ltd 2010
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Porkie_Pie

Porkie_Pie Report 18 Dec 2012 15:10

Not sure what info you think you can gain from his death Record/cert, Most just say died of wounds

HODGETTS, SAMUEL
Rank:PrivateService No:G/9280Date of Death:27/03/1916Age:21Regiment/Service:Royal Fusiliers 4th Bn. Panel ReferencePanel 6 and 8.MemorialYPRES (MENIN GATE) MEMORIAL
Additional Information:

Son of Mr. and Mrs. Hodgetts, of Io7, Elephant Lane, Thatto Heath, St. Helens, Lancs.


Country:BelgiumLocality:Ieper, West-VlaanderenIdentified Casualties:54406
Location Information

Ypres (now Ieper) is a town in the Province of West Flanders. The Memorial is situated at the eastern side of the town on the road to Menin (Menen) and Courtrai (Kortrijk).

Each night at 8 pm the traffic is stopped at the Menin Gate while members of the local Fire Brigade sound the Last Post in the roadway under the Memorial's arches.


Visiting Information

OCTOBER 2012:Due to road works in the Frenchlaan, which is the road just beyond the Menin Gate, the road through the Gate is closed off for vehicle traffic.

For more information please contact the Area Office on +3257223636. We apologise for any inconvenience caused.

Panel Numbers quoted at the end of each entry relate to the panels dedicated to the Regiment with which the casualty served. In some instances, where a casualty is recorded as attached to another Regiment, his name may appear within their Regimental Panels. Please refer to the on-site Memorial Register Introduction. The Addenda Panel lists those service personnel whose details are awaiting addition to the Regimental Panels. All odd panel numbers are on the North side of the road and even numbers are located on the South side of the road.

Steps on either side of the memorial leading to the rear of the memorial, make wheelchair access to the rear impossible. There is however, a slope at the side of the memorial which gives wheelchair users some access but due to the incline, it may not be possible to ascend/descend unaided.




Historical Information

The Menin Gate is one of four memorials to the missing in Belgian Flanders which cover the area known as the Ypres Salient. Broadly speaking, the Salient stretched from Langemarck in the north to the northern edge in Ploegsteert Wood in the south, but it varied in area and shape throughout the war.

The Salient was formed during the First Battle of Ypres in October and November 1914, when a small British Expeditionary Force succeeded in securing the town before the onset of winter, pushing the German forces back to the Passchendaele Ridge. The Second Battle of Ypres began in April 1915 when the Germans released poison gas into the Allied lines north of Ypres. This was the first time gas had been used by either side and the violence of the attack forced an Allied withdrawal and a shortening of the line of defence.

There was little more significant activity on this front until 1917, when in the Third Battle of Ypres an offensive was mounted by Commonwealth forces to divert German attention from a weakened French front further south. The initial attempt in June to dislodge the Germans from the Messines Ridge was a complete success, but the main assault north-eastward, which began at the end of July, quickly became a dogged struggle against determined opposition and the rapidly deteriorating weather. The campaign finally came to a close in November with the capture of Passchendaele.

The German offensive of March 1918 met with some initial success, but was eventually checked and repulsed in a combined effort by the Allies in September.

The battles of the Ypres Salient claimed many lives on both sides and it quickly became clear that the commemoration of members of the Commonwealth forces with no known grave would have to be divided between several different sites.

The site of the Menin Gate was chosen because of the hundreds of thousands of men who passed through it on their way to the battlefields. It commemorates casualties from the forces of Australia, Canada, India, South Africa and United Kingdom who died in the Salient. In the case of United Kingdom casualties, only those prior 16 August 1917 (with some exceptions). United Kingdom and New Zealand servicemen who died after that date are named on the memorial at Tyne Cot, a site which marks the furthest point reached by Commonwealth forces in Belgium until nearly the end of the war. New Zealand casualties that died prior to 16 August 1917 are commemorated on memorials at Buttes New British Cemetery and Messines Ridge British Cemetery.

The YPRES (MENIN GATE) MEMORIAL now bears the names of more than 54,000 officers and men whose graves are not known. The memorial, designed by Sir Reginald Blomfield with sculpture by Sir William Reid-Dick, was unveiled by Lord Plumer on 24 July 1927.

From http://www.cwgc.org/

Roy

Yvonne

Yvonne Report 18 Dec 2012 15:10

If you look on the Commonwealth Wargraves site www.cwgc.org you will find:

Private, No. G/9280, 4th Bn of Royal Fusiliers, on the Ypres (Menin Gate) Memorial. He was the son of Mr. & Mrs. Hodgetts of 107 Elephant Lane, Thatto Heath, St. Helens.

Yvonne

Maddie

Maddie Report 18 Dec 2012 15:13

1911
36 HODGETTS, John Head Married M 46 1865 Coal Miner Hewer Derbyshire N K VIEW
36 HODGETTS, Ellen Wife Married
24 years F 44 1867 Lancs Ormskirk VIEW
36 HODGETTS, Thomas Son Single M 23 1888 Coal Miner Drawer Lancs Skelmersdale VIEW
36 HODGETTS, Agnes Daughter Single F 20 1891 General Servant Domestic Lancs Skelmersdale VIEW
36 HODGETTS, William Son Single M 17 1894 Colliery Cartman Below Ground Lancs Skelmersdale VIEW
36 HODGETTS, Samuel Son Single M 15 1896 Colliery Cartman Below Ground Lancs Skelmersdale VIEW
36 HODGETTS, Edward Son M 14 1897 Colliery Pump Minder Below Ground Lancs Skelmersdale VIEW
36 HODGETTS, Emily Daughter F 11 1900 School Lancs St Helens VIEW
36 HODGETTS, Mary Ellen Daughter F 10 1901 School Lancs St Helens VIEW
36 HODGETTS, John Son M 6 1905 School Lancs St Helens VIEW

RG number: RG14

Piece: 22791

Reference: RG14PN22791 RG78PN1333 RD456 SD5 ED37 SN36

Registration District: Prescot

Sub District: St Helens

Enumeration District: 37

Parish: St Helens

Address: 107 Elephant Lane St Helens

County: Lancashire
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Porkie_Pie

Porkie_Pie Report 18 Dec 2012 15:15

and the one posted by Maddie above

HODGETTS, S
Rank:DriverService No:73776Date of Death:04/10/1916Regiment/Service:Royal Field Artillery "A" Bty. 92nd Bde. Grave ReferenceIV. M. 6.CemeteryDELVILLE WOOD CEMETERY, LONGUEVAL
Additional Information:

Country:FranceLocality:SommeIdentified Casualties:1930
Location Information

Longueval is a village 11 kilometres east of Albert. Delville Wood Cemetery is east of the village and on the south side of the road from Longueval to Ginchy.



Historical Information

Delville Wood was a tract of woodland, nearly 1 kilometre square, the western edge of which touched the village of Longueval in the Somme. On 14 July 1916 the greater part of Longueval village was taken by the 9th (Scottish) Division and on the 15th, the South African Brigade of that Division captured most of Delville Wood. The wood now formed a salient in the line, with Waterlot Farm and Mons Wood on the south flank still in German hands, and, owing to the height of the trees, no close artillery support was possible for defence.

The three South African battalions fought continuously for six days and suffered heavy casualties. On 18 July, they were forced back and on the evening of the 20th the survivors, a mere handful of men, were relieved. On 27 July, the 2nd Division retook the wood and held it until 4 August when the 17th Division took it over. On 18 and 25 August it was finally cleared of all German resistance by the 14th (Light) Division. The wood was then held until the end of April 1918 when it was lost during the German advance, but was retaken by the 38th (Welsh) Division on the following 28 August.

DELVILLE WOOD CEMETERY was made after the Armistice, when graves were brought in from a few small cemeteries and isolated sites, and from the battlefields. Almost all of the burials date from July, August and September 1916.

Commonwealth graves from the following were concentrated into Delville Wood Cemetery:- ANGLE WOOD CEMETERY, GINCHY, was in an "excavated shell-hole" in Angle Wood, to the North-West of Maurepas; and in them were buried 27 British soldiers (mainly of the London Regiment); BATTERY COPSE CEMETERY, CURLU, was between Curlu and Maurepas. It contained, in addition to French graves, those of 17 British soldiers; BAZENTIN-LE-PETIT GERMAN CEMETERY was at the South-East end of the village; in addition to the German graves, it contained five British soldiers (who fell in March and April, 1918); COURCELETTE COMMUNAL CEMETERY GERMAN EXTENSION contained the graves of three British soldiers, one from Canada, and 1,040 German; FERME-ROUGE FRENCH MILITARY CEMETERY, CURLU, was close to Battery Copse Cemetery. In addition to the French graves, it contained one British soldier who fell in March, 1917; GUILLEMONT GERMAN CEMETERY No.1, at the West end of the village, contained 221 German graves and those of seven British soldiers who fell in May and July, 1918; LONE RIDGE CEMETERY, LONGUEVAL, between Delville Wood and the centre of the village, contained the graves of 52 soldiers who fell at the end of August, 1918; MARICOURT (DE LA COTE) GERMAN CEMETERY, on the South West side of the village, contained the graves of five British soldiers and airmen; MARTINPUICH GERMAN CEMETERY No.1, at the North-East end of the village, contained the graves of six British soldiers and one sailor who fell in March 1918; MARTINPUICH GERMAN CEMETERY No.2, to the West of No.1, contained the grave of one British soldier.

There are now 5,523 burials and commemorations of the First World War in this cemetery. 3,593 of the burials are unidentified but there are special memorials to 27 casualties known or believed to be buried among them. Other special memorials record the names of three soldiers buried in Courcelette Communal Cemetery German Extension, whose graves were destroyed by shell fire.

The cemetery was designed by Sir Herbert Baker

Opposite the cemetery stands the SOUTH AFRICAN NATIONAL MEMORIAL. Originally intended as a memorial to the South African servicemen who served and died in all theatres during the First World War, this was later extended to include the Second World War and the Korean War.


Roy

George_of_Westbury

George_of_Westbury Report 18 Dec 2012 15:25


Might not be the right person

The War Graves photographic project have photographed the panel ,and his name where he his commemorated on the Menin Gate memorial, you can obtain copies if this is something you would like.

However they do ask for a donation, see link for details of how and cost etc

The photos are of professional quality.

Link

http://www.twgpp.org/information.php?id=921341

Details

Hodgetts, Samuel
Cemetery: Ypres (Menin Gate) Memorial

Country: Belgium

Area: West-Vlaanderen

Rank: Private

Official Number: G/9280

Unit: 4th Bn. Royal Fusiliers.

Force: Army

Nationality: British

Details:
27th March 1916. Age 21. Son of Mr. and Mrs. Hodgetts of Io7 Elephant Lane Thatto Heath St. Helens Lancs. Panel 6 and 8.




George

George_of_Westbury

George_of_Westbury Report 18 Dec 2012 15:29

He has a medal card

British Army WWI Medal Rolls Index Cards, 1914-1920
about Samuel Hodgetts
Name: Samuel Hodgetts
Regiment or Corps: 4th Royal Fusiliers
Regimental Number: 9280


He received the standard three medals awarded to all who served in France

Victory
British
Star

George

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 18 Dec 2012 16:26

You can get his death cert but most likely will say killed in Action. As he commemorated on the Menin Gates rather than buried in a military cemetery then would suggest his body was never found.

Armed Forces registration event: Death


Name: HODGETTS, Samuel
Unit: Royal Field Artillery
Rank: Driver
Number: 73776
Year: 1916
Volume: A.1
Page: 350
Record source: GRO War Death Army Other Ranks (1914 to 1921



if ordering from the GRO specify its and overseas death

mgnv

mgnv Report 18 Dec 2012 22:31

I disagree with Shirley - since he's commemorated on the Menin Gate, I think his d.cert is most likely to say "Death Assumed on or since" - there's examples in the Border Regt's death rego of that:
http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/content/images/famousscots/MIN0130_000_D_0023Z.tif

Note - I don't think this is our Sam, though.

Sandra

Sandra Report 18 Dec 2012 23:08

Thankyou very much for all this info