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Missing Gormley Family - William, Samuel, Rebecca

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Claire

Claire Report 21 Dec 2012 02:18

I have an entire family missing from my family tree in relatively recent history. They were born and registered in Northern Ireland, Strabane.

In the 1911 Census there was, Samuel Gormley 46, Rebecca Gormley (nee Leeper) 37, Elizabeth 0, William John 7, Robert 12, Samuel 4 and Maud 10.

I suspect Robert may have emigrated to America but have found no trace of any of the family beyond marriage records of the parents and births of the children.

Any info gratefully received!!

Thanks

Claire

K

K Report 21 Dec 2012 05:58

There is a tree on Ancestry with the same family. The year they died is given for all the children although no details of their life post 1911 Robert -1946, Maud -1948, William John -1945, Samuel - 1945, Elizabeth - 1960

K

K Report 21 Dec 2012 06:07

Robert?


New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 about Robert Gormley
Name: Robert Gormley
Arrival Date: 23 Mar 1925
Birth Date: abt 1900
Birth Location: Ireland
Birth Location Other: strabane
Age: 25
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality: Irish
Port of Departure: Londonderry
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Cameronia

Listed as a farmer worker and nearest relative listd as mother Rebecca Gormley Urney Strabane, Co Tyrone As his mother is listed as next of kin presumably Samuel died pre this.

K

K Report 21 Dec 2012 06:11

Looks as though he came back (possibly deported based on record) address listed as above


UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960 about Robert Gormley
Name: Robert Gormley
Birth Date: abt 1899
Age: 26
Port of Departure: New York, New York, United States
Arrival Date: 13 Apr 1925
Port of Arrival: Glasgow, Scotland
Ship Name: Tuscania
Search Ship Database: View the 'Tuscania' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: Anchor Line
Official Number: 146307

Gins

Gins Report 21 Dec 2012 10:45

U.S. Naturalization Record Indexes, 1791-1992 (Indexed in World Archives Project)

Name: William John Gormley
Birth Place: Ireland
Court District: Pennsylvania
Date of Action: 31 Oct 1919

Edit: Just found more details on the above and its not your man. The above was born 1896 Wexford Ire


:-(

Catherine

Catherine Report 21 Dec 2012 11:34

Some American records show the person's parents names, so here is the birth of Samuel, just in case it helps find a death record for him in America:-

Samuel Gormley, "Ireland, Births and Baptisms, 1620-1881"

name: Samuel Gormley
gender: Male

birth date: 28 Aug 1864
birthplace: 0341,STRABANE DISTRICT,TYRONE,IRELAND

father's name: Robert Gormley

mother's name: Rabecca Holmes

indexing project (batch) number: C70123-3
system origin: Ireland-ODM
source film number: 101091
reference number:
Citing this Record

"Ireland, Births and Baptisms, 1620-1881," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FRWB-2W5 : accessed 21 Dec 2012), Samuel Gormley, 28 Aug 1864; citing reference , FHL microfilm 101091.

Gins

Gins Report 21 Dec 2012 12:40

It seems we need to be looking in Oz


Australia Death Index, 1787-1985
Name: Rebecca Jane Gormley
Death Place: Malvern, Victoria
Age: 89
Father's Name: Frank Leeper
Mother's Name: Matilda Holmes
Registration Year: 1961
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration number: 12880
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872


Australia Death Index, 1787-1985
Name: Saml Gormley
Death Place: Victoria
Age: 33
Father's Name: Gormley Sahl Gormley
Mother's Name: Resca Lepper
Registration Year: 1940
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration number: 8904
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1907

Gins

Gins Report 21 Dec 2012 12:53

Just trying to cross match her details to ensure its her in Oz. Looks good


Ireland, Civil Registration Births Index, 1864-1958

Name: Rebecca Leeper
Date of Registration: 1876
Registration district: Stranolar
Birth Country: Ireland
Volume: 7
Page: 394
FHL Film Number: 101053




Ireland, Civil Registration Marriages Index, 1845-1958

Name: Rebecca Jane Leeper
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1896
Registration district: Stranolar
Volume: 2
Page: 413 (click to see others on page)
FHL Film Number: 101258

Spouse Samuel Gormley

Gins

Gins Report 21 Dec 2012 13:07

The age is out but I cant find a death in Oz for him. I wonder if the family left for Australia after his death? This would fit with the shipping record K posted earlier...NOK mother and not the father.

So,Rebecca went to Oz after 1925 by the looks of things, this might account for not finding all the children in Australia, they may have married and stayed in Ireland


Ireland, Civil Registration Deaths Index, 1864-1958
Name: Samuel Gormley
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1918
Death Age: 47
Registration district: Strabane
Death Country: Ireland
Volume: 2
Page: 207
FHL Film Number: 0101605

You'd need the death cert to check the details

Gins

Gins Report 21 Dec 2012 16:19

There is this record, would be fab if someone else can get more details on it

Australia Death Index, 1787-1985
Name: Robert Gormley
Death Date: 26 Jul 1951
Death Place: South Australia
Registration Year: 1951-1955
Registration Place: South Australia
Page Number: 4017
Volume Number: 771

He appears on the ER, listed as a labourer

Claire

Claire Report 21 Dec 2012 21:12

Thank you very much for all of this. Looks like most of these are the ones I was looking for. The age is off for Samuel's death in Ireland but my DOB comes from church records not civil so that could be where the difference comes from.

I can't find any record of Robert, Rebecca or Samuel being on passenger lists to Australia......is this normal?

The other Samuel who went to America is from another line of the family that I have already traced.

I have contacted the owner of the tree on ancestry to see if they can give some more details regarding the family.

As you all have been so helpful and are obviously much more experienced than I am at this......do you have any suggestions for filling in gaps in Irish family trees further back. I basically used the church records to go back as far as I could as well as the death records but ran out of records!

Thanks again

Claire

Gins

Gins Report 22 Dec 2012 09:22

There is this death, again you would need the certificate to check the details


Australia Death Index, 1787-1985
Name: Robert Gormley
Death Date: 26 Jul 1951
Death Place: South Australia
Registration Year: 1951-1955
Registration Place: South Australia
Page Number: 4017
Volume Number: 771


I can only find shipping records up to 1922 for NSW, maybe someone else has more knowledge?

You can search here for Irish and Oz records

http://ifhf.rootsireland.ie/

http://trove.nla.gov.au/

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 22 Dec 2012 10:38

Passenger lists leaving UK 1890-1960 (Find My Past)

Name: Mr S GORMLEY
Date of departure: 5 March 1927
Port of departure: London
Passenger destination port: Melbourne, Australia
Passenger destination: Melbourne, Australia
Date of Birth: 1907 (calculated from age)
Age: 20
Marital status:
Sex: Male
Occupation: Farmer
Passenger recorded on: Page 13 of 39
Ship:
Official Number:
Master's name:
Steamship Line:
Where bound:
Square feet:
Registered tonnage:
Passengers on voyage:
ORAMA
146024
Capt W S Shelford
Orient
Australia
26393
11942
1349

(last address given as, Clady, Urney, Strabane, Co. Tyrone)



Name: Robert GORMLEY
Date of departure: 11 November 1926
Port of departure: London
Passenger destination port: Adelaide, Australia
Passenger destination: Adelaide, Australia
Date of Birth: 1899 (calculated from age)
Age: 27
Marital status:
Sex: Male
Occupation: Farmer
Passenger recorded on: Page 9 of 37
Ship:
Official Number:
Master's name:
Steamship Line:
Where bound:
Square feet:
Registered tonnage:
Passengers on voyage:
BENDIGO
145603
Captain R C Nicholl
P. & O. Australia Via The Cape Service
Australia
28056
7925
1145

(last address given as, Urney, Strabane, Co. Tyrone)


(not seeing Rebecca)

Chris :)

۞ Cherilyn ۞

۞ Cherilyn ۞ Report 23 Dec 2012 04:24

Sadly no death notices for any of these but I found Robert's burial at Enfield Cemetery in SA at www.genealogysa.org.au/resources/online-databases.html

He was 53 and his last abode was Prospect SA.

Do you know if daughter Elizabeth also came to Oz?

There is a death for Elizabeth GEORGE nee GORMLEY, parents not stated, aged 51 in 1962. She died in Burwood, Victoria (reg 16276). Maybe she was already married when she arrived?

۞ Cherilyn ۞

۞ Cherilyn ۞ Report 23 Dec 2012 04:33

www.fcmp.com.au/index.asp?page=deceasedstandard.asp

Fawkner Memorial Park wishes to advise that the location of the buried remains of the late Samuel Gormley aged 33 are located at Presbyterian Compartment E Grave 1901.

Within this location you will find:-

Surname Given Names Service Date
GORMLEY Rebecca J 25/07/1961
GORMLEY Samuel 7/09/1940

Other Gormley burials in same cemetery are in the Roman Catholic area (or cremations).

۞ Cherilyn ۞

۞ Cherilyn ۞ Report 23 Dec 2012 04:36

smct.org.au/

Cemetery SPRINGVALE BOTANICAL CEMETERY
Given Names ELIZABETH
Surname GEORGE
Religion NONE

Date of Service 8/08/1962

Burial Type BURIED
Location Details CHURCH OF ENGLAND, MONUMENTAL, COMPARTMENT O SECTION 14 GRAVE 39
Public Grave Y/N N
Tenure Date IN PERPETUITY - FOR ALL TIME


No one in same grave but may be alongside. You can request more info (if you think this is the right person!) at deceasedsearch.com/modules.php?mod=Form_to_Email&id=6955321

۞ Cherilyn ۞

۞ Cherilyn ۞ Report 30 Dec 2012 03:43

nudge

Claire

Claire Report 15 Jan 2013 02:43

Thanks Cherilyn, I have just checked this website and requested more info. I suspect this is the correct person as someone else with family knowledge said that Elizabeth married a Mr George.

Maud apparently married a Mr Henderson. More details (if anyone can get them) would be gratefully received!!

Family talk frm my side says that the whole family emigrated and left a disabled child in Ireland. I'm starting to think this was William as he is the only one I haven't managed to get details for as
yet.

I have a wedding in Ireland later on in the Spring so I pan to go to the births, deaths & marriages office to see if I can find him. I plan to go to PRONI at the same time. If anyone is needing info from NI that they can't get on-line, let me know and I'll see what I can do when I'm there

Cheers

Claire

Claire

Claire Report 15 Jan 2013 02:44

Sorry, forgot tick the box!

Claire