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1911 look-up please, Patterson

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BeverleyW

BeverleyW Report 22 Dec 2012 22:35

Would some kind person please let me have the details of Thomas Herbertson Patterson, aged 39, from the 1911 census?
Born in Haddington, Scotland, in 1911 he is in St. James, Westminster.
I wonder what he was doing 'down south', and also if he was single?
Thank you
Beverley

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 22 Dec 2012 22:36

will take a look

MillymollyAmanda

MillymollyAmanda Report 22 Dec 2012 22:38

Name: Thomas Herbertson Patterson
Age in 1911: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Scotland, Huntingdon, England
Civil parish: Westminster St James
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 24 Sackville Street, Piccadilly W
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: WAITER CLUB
Registration district: Westminster
Registration District Number: 6
Sub-registration district: St James and St Anne
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Piece: 503
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Herbertson Patterson 39
Catherine Dora Patterson 43
James Cave 21
Constance Hilton 20
Phyllis Lilian Brabyn 23
Annie Ambrose 29
Frances Maud Court 55
Mary Annie Mann 33
Edith C Scotcher 42
Ida C Hawes 27
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MillymollyAmanda

MillymollyAmanda Report 22 Dec 2012 22:39

Name: Thomas Herbertson Patterson
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Age: 34
Spouse Name: Dora Catherine Briscoe
Spouse Age: 39
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 18 Nov 1906
Parish: Camberwell St Giles
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: William Patterson
Spouse Father Name: Alfred William Briscoe
Register Type: Parish Register

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BeverleyW

BeverleyW Report 22 Dec 2012 22:40

Excellent thank you!
Does the census say who all those other people were? Maybe other employees of the club he worked for?

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 22 Dec 2012 22:44

his wife is living in too
Name: Catherine Dora Patterson
Age in 1911: 43
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Southam, Hampshire, England
Civil parish: Westminster St James
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 24 Sackville Street, Piccadilly W
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 4
Estimated Marriage Year: 1907
Occupation: HOUSE KEEPER BUSINESS PREMISES and PRIVATE HOUSE TAILOR SHOP and WORKROOM
Registration district: Westminster
Registration District Number: 6
Sub-registration district: St James and St Anne
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Piece: 503

MillymollyAmanda

MillymollyAmanda Report 22 Dec 2012 22:48

Mostly servants ,Edith down as niece and then there's Ida ?says daughter ?

Ida C Hawes
[Ida C Patterson]
Age in 1911: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Minster
Civil parish: Westminster St James
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 25a Sackville Street W
Marital Status: Single
Registration district: Westminster
Registration District Number: 6
Sub-registration district: St James and St Anne
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Piece: 503
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Herbertson Patterson 39
Catherine Dora Patterson 43
James Cave 21
Constance Hilton 20
Phyllis Lilian Brabyn 23
Annie Ambrose 29
Frances Maud Court 55
Mary Annie Mann 33
Edith C Scotcher 42
Ida C Hawes 27
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BeverleyW

BeverleyW Report 22 Dec 2012 22:48

Thanks, Amanda and Shirley.
I can't see a birth for Catherine, I guess this could have been a second marriage for her. Maybe with Ida being her daughter.

Vera

Vera Report 22 Dec 2012 22:55

Have checked the images.....
Thomas and wife live at 24 Sackville Street with the others starting with James Caves living at 25a Sackville Street. Two separate census forms.

1911 Condition /

CAVE, James Servant Single M 21 1890 Barman London VIEW
HILTON, Constance Servant Single F 20 1891 Barmaid Barnes London VIEW
BRABYN, Phyliis Lilian Servant Single F 23 1888 Saloon Barmaid Cardiff Wales VIEW
AMBROSE, Annie Servant Single F 29 1882 Housemaid Domestic Chelsea London VIEW
COURT, Frances Maud Servant Widow F 55 1856 Cook Domestic London VIEW
MANN, Mary Annie Servant Widow F 33 1878 Manageress London VIEW
SCOTCHER, Edith C Niece Single F 42 1869 Book-Keeper Limerick Limerick Resident VIEW
HAWES, Ada C Daughter Single F 27 1884 London Westminster VIEW
RG number: RG14
Piece: 503
Reference: RG14PN503 RG78PN17 RD6 SD1 ED9 SN180
Registration District: Westminster
Sub District: St James and St Anne
Enumeration District: 9
Parish: St James Westminster
Address: Sunderland Arms 25a Sackville Street W
County: London


1911

PATTERSON, Thomas Herbertson Head Married M 39 1872 Waiter Club Haddingtonshire Haddington Scotland Resident VIEW
PATTERSON, Catherine Dora Wife Married4 years F 43 1868 Housekeeper Hampshire Southern VIEW
RG number: RG14
Piece: 503
Reference: RG14PN503 RG78PN17 RD6 SD1 ED9 SN179
Registration District: Westminster
Sub District: St James and St Anne
Enumeration District: 9
Parish: St James Westminster
Address: 24 Sackville Street W
County: London




Regards Vera

BeverleyW

BeverleyW Report 22 Dec 2012 23:05

Ahh so Ada/Ida isn't anything to do with Thomas and Catherine.
Thanks for clearing that up, Vera.

Still can't see a birth for Catherine Dora
:-(

Vera

Vera Report 22 Dec 2012 23:09

Thomas Herbertson Patterson
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Age: 34
Spouse Name: Dora Catherine Briscoe
Spouse Age: 39
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 18 Nov 1906
Parish: Camberwell St Giles
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: William Patterson
Spouse Father Name: Alfred William Briscoe
Register Type: Parish Register


Looks like she could be Dora Catherine ????


Regards Vera

MillymollyAmanda

MillymollyAmanda Report 22 Dec 2012 23:12

1901 ?

Name: Dora Briscoe
Age: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: A W Briscoe
Mother's Name: L A Briscoe
Gender: Female
Where born: Southsea, Hampshire, England
Civil parish: St Marylebone
Ecclesiastical parish: All Souls
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: St Marylebone
Sub-registration district: All Souls
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 42
Piece: 104
Folio: 50
Page Number: 5
Household Members:
Name Age
A W Briscoe 64
L A Briscoe 58
Dora Briscoe 38
Kate Briscoe 28
Frederick P Briscoe 21
Samuel J Briscoe 21
Alfred Briscoe 11
Agnes McNelly 29
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MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 22 Dec 2012 23:12

The 1911 saya she was born Hampshire so perhaps this one if she was a bit economical with her age:

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Name: Catherine Dora Briscoe
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1861
Registration district: Portsea Island
Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume: 2b
Page: 394

Ties in better with the 1901 which has the same father details as on the marriage record.

BeverleyW

BeverleyW Report 22 Dec 2012 23:12

I think you're right!

name: Catherine D Briscoe
event: Census
event date: 1871
gender: Female
age: 9
relationship to head of household: Daughter
birthplace: Portsmouth, Hampshire
record type: Household
registration district: St George Hanover Square
sub-district: Hanover Square
event parish: St George Hanover Square
county: London, Middlesex
Household Gender Age Birthplace
self Alfred W Briscoe M 34 Marylebone, Middlesex
wife Lucy A Briscoe F 28 Havant, Hampshire
daughter Catherine D Briscoe F 9 Portsmouth, Hampshire
daughter Lucy A Briscoe F 6 Marylebone, Middlesex
son Alfred W Briscoe M 3 St George, Middlesex
son Henry T Briscoe M 2 St George, Middlesex
daughter Kate Briscoe F 0 St George, Middlesex

Tsk tsk ;-)

BeverleyW

BeverleyW Report 22 Dec 2012 23:17

Thanks all for your help, looks like she pulled the wool firmly over Thomas's eyes! It seems incredible if he really was taken in by such a whopper.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 22 Dec 2012 23:43

On the 1906 marriage record Alfred Wlliam Briscoe is a tailor, on the 1901 census A W Briscoe is a tailor ......

BeverleyW

BeverleyW Report 23 Dec 2012 08:56

Yes definitely the right girl and the right family, thanks MarieCeleste.
Maybe Thomas was a bit short-sighted ;-)