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ceri

ceri Report 23 Dec 2012 12:35

Hi
What would be a reason at the time for not putting fathers name on a marriage cert?
The Marriage in question is...

Emily Wright to Frederick Chilton, November 1865 in Hounslow

Im trying to find her parents
Thanks in advance

Gins

Gins Report 23 Dec 2012 12:41

For ref


London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Frederick Chilton
Name: Frederick Chilton
Age: Full Age
Spouse Name: Emily Wright
Spouse Age: 20
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 19 Nov 1865
Parish: Hounslow Holy Trinity
Borough: Hounslow
Father Name: William Chilton
Register Type: Parish Register

ceri

ceri Report 23 Dec 2012 12:43

Thats the one thanks gins, any ideas?

Gins

Gins Report 23 Dec 2012 12:46

She may not have known her father?

Is this her?


1861 England Census
about Emily J Wright
Name: Emily J Wright
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relation: Granddaughter
Gender: Female
Where born: Westminster, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Woolwich
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
Town: Woolwich
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Registration district: Greenwich
Sub-registration district: Woolwich Dockyard
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 283
Piece: 405
Folio: 78
Page Number: 45
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Harrington 72
Georgiana Harrington 65
Emily J Wright 17
Harriett E Wright 15
Rachel Taylor 38
Sarah Mattock 23
Eliza Roberts 15


brummiejan

brummiejan Report 23 Dec 2012 12:49

Usually indicates illegitimacy.
Jan

Gins

Gins Report 23 Dec 2012 12:54

A tree at Ancestry has this as her parents


Geoginana Jane Harrington
Hall Family Tree
Birth: 1821 - London, England
Parents: Joseph Harrington, Georgiana Mercote
Spouse: John Wright

Margee

Margee Report 23 Dec 2012 12:55

???

1851 England Census
about Emily J Wright Name: Emily J Wright
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relation: Niece's Child
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: London, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Brighton
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England

Registration district: Brighton
Sub-registration district: St Peter
ED, institution, or vessel: 1q
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 24
Piece: 1645
Folio: 386
Page Number: 6
Household Members: Name Age
Charlotte Mercote 48
G J Wright 32
Mary G Wright 8
Emily J Wright 7
Kezia Taylor 23
Jane Bish 18

G.J. Wright is the niece, a widow.

Gins

Gins Report 23 Dec 2012 12:58

Marriages Mar 1839 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

BASSEY Mary Westminster 1 285
BESFORD Maria Westminster 1 285
BUSSEY Mary Westminster 1 285
HARRINGTON Georgiana Jane Westminster 1 285<<<<<<<<<<<
JONES John Westminster 1 285
KING Ann St. Westminster 1 285
MOORE Richard Westminster 1 285
WILLSON William Westminster 1 285
WRIGHT John Westminster 1 285 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<



And her mothers death? Maybe thats why she is with her grandparents


Births Sep 1859 (>99%)
---------------------------------------------------
WRIGHT Georgina Jane Shoreditch 1c 90

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 23 Dec 2012 13:02

This looks like the Harriet in the 1861 above, but no sign of Emily. I suspect the birth below is her. Problem is, there are quite a few Emily Wrights - and yours doesn't appear to have a middle name!

Births Mar 1844 (>99%)
Wright Emily Jane Westminster 1 455


1851 England Census
Name: Harriet E Wright
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Relation: Grandchild
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: St Maryt's Westmr, Middlesex, England
[St Mary]

Civil parish: Westminster St John the Evangelist
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Registration district: Westminster
Sub-registration district: St John

Joseph Harrington 62
Georgiana Harrington 55
Harriet E Wright 4
Emma Humphreys 24
Sarah E Ridley 26

Jonesey

Jonesey Report 23 Dec 2012 13:07

It has never been a legal requirement to name your father when getting married.

It is/was quite common not to give your father's details if you either did not know them or simply chose not to do so because of family relationship breakdown.

Gins

Gins Report 23 Dec 2012 13:11

Emily is 20 on that marriage record I posted and I think it says under her age 'with consent'

Maybe she didnt have 'consent'? Can someone else take a look at it please

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 23 Dec 2012 13:12

Def. says 'with consent' Gins.
Jan

Gins

Gins Report 23 Dec 2012 13:19

Thanks Jan

Gins

Gins Report 23 Dec 2012 13:31

Sibling to Emily?


London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about John Harrington Wright
Name: John Harrington Wright
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 24 Oct 1841
Father's Name: John Wright
Mother's Name: Georgiana Jane Wright
Parish or Poor Law Union: Westminster St Margaret
Borough: Westminster
Register Type: Bishop's Transcript

ceri

ceri Report 23 Dec 2012 14:37

Not sure if the above is her?
This is her on the 1871 census

1871 England Census
about Emily Chilton
Name:Emily Chilton
Age:25
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1846
Relation:Wife
Spouse's Name:Frederick Chilton
Gender:Female
Where born:Heston, Middlesex, England
Civil parish:Heston
Ecclesiastical parish:St Paul
Town:Hounslow
County/Island:Middlesex
Country:England
Registration district:Brentford
Sub-registration district:Isleworth
ED, institution, or vessel:14
Household schedule number:245
Piece:1314
Folio:24
Page Number: 42
Household Members:
Name Age
Frederick Chilton 26
Emily Chilton 25
Louisa Chilton 5
Frederick Chilton 3
Ellen Chilton 5 Months

And this is her on 1881 Census
1881 Census
1881 England Census about Emily Chilton
Name: Emily Chilton
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Frederick Chilton
Gender: Female
Where born: Westminster, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: Heston
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street Address: Wellington Lane East 2 Castle Place
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Brentford
Sub-registration district: Isleworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1339
Folio: 118
Page Number: 26
Household Members:
Name Age
Frederick Chilton 37
Emily Chilton 36
Louisa Chilton 15
Frederick Chilton 13
Amelia Chilton 11
Walter Chilton 9
Ada Chilton 7
Emily Chilton 5
Arthur Chilton 3
Herbert Chilton 1
William Wright 22 Boarder

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 23 Dec 2012 14:38

Gins, can I just check something? You have referred to mother's possible death a few posts back, but actually have put a birth - have you missed death ref. off in error?
jan :-)

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 23 Dec 2012 14:48

I'm not sure about this Harrington family, especially as the one we are looking for doesn't have a middle name on the marriage cert - what do others think? A family tree has them, and obviously they might be mistaken, but they have this Emily Jane here in 1871, when ours is already married. Her sister is Mary Georgiana Wright according to them, and I suspect they are correct:

Marriages Sep 1860 (>99%)
Bankes William Greenwich 1d 941
Waterman Elizabeth Jane Greenwich 1d 941
Wright Mary Georgiana Greenwich 1d 941
Yule Henry Greenwich 1d 941


1871 England Census

Name: Mily Jane Knight
[Emily Jane Wright]
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relation: Sister-in-law
Gender: Female
Where born: London, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: Runcorn and Weston
Ecclesiastical parish: Runcorn
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Registration district: Runcorn
Sub-registration district: Runcorn

William Bankes 39
Mary G Bankes 28
William H Bankes 9
Mary G Bankes 8
Beatrice E Bankes 8
John E C Bankes 2
Hanley Bankes 1 Month
Mily Jane Knight 27
Thomas Bankes 35
Ellen Judon 17
Margaret Williams 20

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 23 Dec 2012 14:59

I'm throwing this in as another possibility - hope it isn't here already and I a having a grey moment!!

EDIT apologies, age too far out I think.

Hounslow being the link.


1861 England Census

Name: Emily Wright
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Niece
Gender: Female
Where born: Hounslow, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Isleworth
Ecclesiastical parish: Hounslow
County/Island: Middlesex

Registration district: Brentford
Sub-registration district: Isleworth

Mary Ann Wright 40
Sophia Eliz Wright 34
Walter Wright 4
William G Wright 3
George Wright 4 Months
Emily Wright 20
Ellen Eldridge 19
Ellen M Eldridge 11

ceri

ceri Report 23 Dec 2012 15:09

Frederick and Emily's daughter was Emily Elizabeth Chilton but i dont know if the mother Emily who married Frederick had a middle name?

Gins

Gins Report 23 Dec 2012 15:23

Oh gawed.......re death/birth post Jan!


I think Fred is a labourer on the marriage to Emily. John Wright (Who I thought might have been Emily' father) b 1802c is a doctor, I cant imagine a doctors daughter marrying a labourer?