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brummiejan

brummiejan Report 23 Dec 2012 17:05

Well, it does look like the same family 1851 and 1861, especially given that occupation. The slight anomaly is Mary's birthplace - both say Kent but 1851 says Canterbury, 1861 Ashford.
Obviously we can't be 100% sure this is your Emily, but given William lodging with the Chiltons 1881 I would be willing to go with it. Unfortunately it doesn't tell us who her parents were!
Not sure re. the reg district Gins. bit south for me ... !
Jan

Gee

Gee Report 23 Dec 2012 17:06

Look who Emily is with in 1911, above.

And then this....which matches the area, re baptisim for Emily


Marriages Jun 1848 (>99%)
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ADAMS Mary St. Geo. East 2 60
APLIN Elizabeth Ann St George E 2 60
Clark Joseph St Geo East 2 60
Cole Mary Ann St Geo East 2 60 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
LANDREW John St Geo East 2 60
Plucknett Jane St Geo East 2 60
WILD Henry St Geo East 2 60
WRIGHT John Alderton St Geo East 2 60 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<


Is this a bingo moment?

ceri

ceri Report 23 Dec 2012 17:10

ST. GEORGE IN THE EAST REGISTRATION DISTRICT
Registration County : London.
Created : 1.7.1837.
Abolished : 1.1.1926 (to become part of Stepney registration district).
Sub-districts : St. George North, St. George & St. John, St. John, St. Mary, St. Paul.
GRO volumes : II (1837–51), 1c (1852–1925).
Registers now held by : Tower Hamlets.

Table 1: List of Places in St. George in the East Registration District

All the areas in St. George in the East registration district became part of the county of London on 1.4.1889.

Civil Parish
County
From
To
Notes

St. George in the East
Middlesex
1837
1889
See Table 2, note (a).

London
1889
1925


Table 2: Boundary Changes affecting St. George in the East Registration District

Date of Change
Note
Description of Change
Population transferred

1.1.1926
(abolished)
(a)
Lost the constituent parish of St. George in the East to Stepney registration district. 40441 in 1921

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 23 Dec 2012 17:21

Just can't make up my mind about that Cole link Gins.
I think this is the marriage for the couple - I do hope the Alice Wright is a co-incidence or I shall have to go and lie in a darkened room:

Marriages Dec 1901 (>99%)
COLE James Turner Greenwich 1D 1792A

Marriages Dec 1901 (>99%)
CAULE James Turner Greenwich 1d 1793
REDFORD Gertrude Harriett Greenwich 1d 1793
REYNOLDS Harry Greenwich 1d 1793 Scan available - click to view
Wright Alice Greenwich 1d 1793

ceri

ceri Report 23 Dec 2012 17:27

My head is spinning, so are we saying the 1851 census before is not her now? the one where it would appear she was with her mum and grandmother, it said born Hounslow?

LondonBelle

LondonBelle Report 23 Dec 2012 17:33

Looks like Alice Wright married Harry Reynolds

Alice Wright abt 1880 2 Oct 1901 Harry Reynolds Greenwich St Paul

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 23 Dec 2012 17:37

My head is spinning too Ceri!
We have to be a bit careful as the Emily 1851 might not be daughter to Mary, obviously.
I think the Mary 1861 (mother to William, Walter and George) is probably the same as the Mary 1851. And the 2 Emily's are the same person, but her niece not her daughter. If this is your Emily we still do not have her parents. And her birth year is a bit out. But I feel pretty sure that cousin William is the same one who is living with the Chiltons 1881.
Might be significant (maybe!) that they have named a son Walter, if indeed it is your Emily in 1861, so possibly after her cousin - but the name was fairly popular back then unfortunately.
The other choice is the Emily found by Gins. Not sure about that location though, having little knowledge of London areas.
jan

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 23 Dec 2012 17:44

Right, after a quick googlemap search for Stepney/Hounslow, they seem to be about 16 miles apart. So St Georges East doesn't work for birthplace, but having said that she might have been mistaken.
Jan

ceri

ceri Report 23 Dec 2012 18:01

So the 1861 census for her listed as niece born c1841 Hounslow, and the 1851 census for her listed as Grandaughter born c1836 Hounslow look to be the most correct?

LondonBelle

LondonBelle Report 23 Dec 2012 18:28

It might be a matter of getting a birth certificate....the following is a contender as Brentford is a likely registration district for births in Hounslow

Births Dec 1845
Wright Emily Brentford 3 24

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 23 Dec 2012 18:28

That's my opinion yes, but I might be a bit biased!
As there is such a lot of info, maybe you need to put it to one side and come back to it later - I find a bit of breathing space can work wonders.
The only other query I have is this - have you managed to sort out who is the witness on the marriage cert, other than the Chilton one?
jan

ceri

ceri Report 23 Dec 2012 18:45

I will be ordering the certificates londonbelle, im just seeing some of the family over christmas and just thought if i could establish this before going but i wont get the certificates in time, also just trying to establish which is her first...that birth is the one i think

Brummiejan - I will Print this thread out aswell to actually collate any info ive been helped with so to find it easier later once i have certificates .

I havent been able to find out who the other witness is as keep changing my mind what it say lol...Musloe, Mustoe or something else?!

Gee

Gee Report 23 Dec 2012 18:50

I need to to step back, reflect and come back to this...

...I also need to make dinner!