I would appreciate some assistance in finding this family in 1911..
Edward Jones 1865 - married Zilpah Frankland and had the following children
Elizabeth Jones 1888 - quite a gap before next child Norah Jones 1895 Maggie 1899 Annie 1900
Thanks
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Just to place them:
1901 England Census
Name: Zilpah Jones Age: 37 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: Edward Jones Gender: Female Where born: Crawshawbooth, Lancashire, England Civil parish: Standish with Langtree Ecclesiastical parish: Shevington St Anne County/Island: Lancashire
Registration district: Wigan Sub-registration district: Standish
Edward Jones 36 Zilpah Jones 37 Elizabeth H Jones 13 Nora Jones 6 Maggie Jones 2 Annie Jones 4 Months Where born: Rhosllannerchrugog, Denbighshire, Wales
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Thank you Brummiejan - Happy Christmas
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Just wondering about this:
Deaths Mar 1905 (>99%) Jones Zilpah 40 Wigan 8c 59
Jan
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Happy Christmas to you too!! Jan
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I think this is them:
1911 England Census about Annie Jones Name: Annie Jones Age in 1911: 10 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1901 Relation to Head: Daughter Gender: Female Birth Place: Dentife, Rhollanerehing Civil parish: Great Harwood County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street Address: 16 Spring St Gt Harwoodk W Blackburn Marital Status: Single Occupation: School Registration district: Blackburn Registration District Number: 474 Sub-registration district: Harwood ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Piece: 25008 Household Members: Name Age Edward Jones 46 b. Hanley Agnest Jones 46 b. Bramshaw lancs Nora Jones 16 Maggie Jones 13 Annie Jones 10 Lucy Jones 8 Jane Annie Taylor 26 Lily Taylor 17 Agnes Taylor 13
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The above Edward and Agnes have only been married 5 years, which fits with death of Zilpah.
ADDED Nora born Crawshawbooth 1911 which clinches it I think!
Jan
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So Zilpah died and Edward remarries to Agnes....
Thank you
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I think she was Agnes Taylor, as the other children are step-children to Edward. So it seems possible that this is the marriage:
Marriages Dec 1905 (>99%) ASPINALL Ellen Wigan 8c 43 HALLIWELL Ralph Wigan 8c 43 JONES Edward Wigan 8c 43 TAYLOR Agnes Wigan 8c 43
Jan
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Just found it - i came to same conclusion... Thank's
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Just one more comment - be thankful Edward had the aforethought to marry a Zilpah and have a daughter born in Crawshawbooth. Must have been thinking of you trying to sort out the Jones tree! :-D
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Very true......Shame the children with first wife have such common names - wasnt thinking much of me then was he lol
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Now Mike, have a little gratitude -at least the children were born somewhere called Horsley Green and Agnes was born Golborne - could be worse! jan
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My name is Mark - thanks ;-)
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Oops! I wasn't saying you should be grateful to me by the way, if that's how it came across!! I meant to edward. Over & out. Jan
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Using http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/ Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1887 Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference JONES Edward FRANKLAND Zilpah Hyndburn Register Office or Registrar Attended Preston RM/68/193
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference 1888 JONES Elizabeth Hannah Rossendale Preston FRANKLAND ROSS/45/100 1889 JONES Joseph Edward Rossendale Preston FRANKLAND ROSS/47/10 1890 JONES Margaret Elsie Frankland Rossendale Preston FRANKLAND ROSS/48/21 1895 JONES Norah Rossendale Preston FRANKLAND ROSS/52/96 1898 JONES Maggie Colne Preston COL/127/50 1902 JONES Lucy Standish Wigan & Leigh FRANKLAND STND/37/381
Lancashire Death indexes for the years: Surname Forename(s) Age Sub-District Registers At Reference 1890 JONES Margaret Elsie Frankland 0 Rossendale Preston ROSS/31/72 1894 JONES Joseph Edward 4 Rossendale Preston ROSS/34/67 1905 JONES Zilpah 40 Hindley Wigan & Leigh HNDL/89/123
http://www.northwalesbmd.org.uk/ North Wales Birth indexes for the years: 1900 Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference JONES Annie Ruabon Wrexham County Borough (Wrexham) RBN/071/65 [Rhosllanerchrugog is abt 6km SW of Wrexham & 3km N of Ruabon]
I wonder abt this one: Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1893 Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference JONES Milton Frankland Newton Manchester NEW/135/77
Deaths Sep 1893 (>99%) Jones Milton Frankland 0 Prestwich 8d 274
[1901 Maggie pob=Colne; Zilpah/older kids pob=Crawshawbooth; Ed pob=Hanley, Staffs. occup=coal miner]
1891 England Census Transcription County:Lancashire Street:5 ROCK TERRACE Parish:HIGHER BOOTHS Town:CRAWSHAW BOOTH City:RAWTENSTALL Ecclesiastical District:ALL SAINTS Municipal Ward:WEST Parliamentary Borough:ROSSENDALE Registration District:HASLINGDEN Registration Sub-District 2A Rossendale Enumeration District:5 Archive Reference:RG12 Piece Number:3349 Folio:101 Page:3
ROBERT FRANKLAND 1831 60 Gisburn, Yorkshire HEAD M Traveller for Mill Stores MARGARET FRANKLAND 1827 64 Crawshaw Booth, Lancashire WIFE M ZILPAH JONES 1864 27 Crawshawbooth, Lancashire DAUGHTER M Cotton Weaver ELIZABETH ANN JONES 1888 3 Crawshawbooth, Lancashire GRANDDAUGHTER JOSEPH EDWARD JONES 1890 1 Crawshawbooth, Lancashire GRANDSON
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Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1905 Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference JONES Edward TAYLOR Agnes St. Peter, Hindley Wigan & Leigh C16/3/172
Using http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/ Marriage: 2 Dec 1905 St Peter, Hindley, Lancs. Edward Jones - 41 Commission Agent Widower of 9 Progress Street Agnes Taylor - (X), 41 Widow of Birch Farm Hindley Green Groom's Father: Joseph Jones, Underground Manager Bride's Father: James Hayes, (Deceased), Collier Witness: Peter Leyland, (X); E. H. Layland Married by Banns by: J. Wellstead Register: Marriages 1902 - 1916, Page 86, Entry 172 Source: Original register at Wigan Archives
Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1883 Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference HAYES Agnes TAYLOR Gabriel All Saints, Hindley Wigan & Leigh C15/4/146
Marriage: 3 Dec 1883 All Saints, Hindley, Lancs. Gabriel Taylor - (X), 23 General Dealer Bachelor of Hindley Green Agnes Hayes - (X), 19 Mill Hand Spinster of Hindley Green Groom's Father: John Taylor, General Dealer Bride's Father: James Hayes, (deceased), Collier Witness: Harriet Brown; James Hayes Married by Banns by: R. Morris, Curate Register: Marriages 1880 - 1891, Page 73, Entry 146 Source: LDS Film 93750
These can't all be Agnes's: Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference 1882 TAYLOR Ellen Ann Hindley Wigan & Leigh HAYES HNDL/74/305 1883 TAYLOR Thomas William Hindley Wigan & Leigh HAYES HNDL/80/103 1884 TAYLOR Jane Ann Hindley Wigan & Leigh HEYES HNDL/82/248 1885 TAYLOR Alice Hindley Wigan & Leigh HAYES HNDL/85/179 1885 TAYLOR William James Hindley Wigan & Leigh HEYES HNDL/85/357 1887 TAYLOR Eda Hindley Wigan & Leigh HEYES HNDL/91/466 1888 TAYLOR Edith Hindley Wigan & Leigh HAYES HNDL/93/286 1889 TAYLOR Emily Hindley Wigan & Leigh HEYES HNDL/98/138 1890 TAYLOR Mary Ellen Hindley Wigan & Leigh HEYES HNDL/100/373 1891 TAYLOR Mary Ellen Hindley Wigan & Leigh HAYES HNDL/103/462 1891 TAYLOR Elizabeth Hindley Wigan & Leigh HAYES HNDL/106/289 1893 TAYLOR Thomas Hindley Wigan & Leigh HAYES HNDL/111/277 1893 TAYLOR Esther Lily Hindley Wigan & Leigh HAYES HNDL/112/227 1893 TAYLOR Jane Hindley Wigan & Leigh HAYES HNDL/113/209 1894 TAYLOR John Hindley Wigan & Leigh HEYES HNDL/118/402 1895 TAYLOR Walter Hindley Wigan & Leigh HAYES HNDL/121/29 1898 TAYLOR Agnes Hindley Wigan & Leigh HAYES HNDL/132/33 1900 TAYLOR Edward Hindley Wigan & Leigh HEYES HNDL/141/425
Lancashire Death indexes for the years: 1905 Surname Forename(s) Age Sub-District Registers At Reference TAYLOR Gabriel 43 Hindley Wigan & Leigh HNDL/89/420
Look at the dobs of the "twins" - I think they stuffed up on years Baptisms: 20 Sep 1886 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England Jane Anne Taylor - Child of Gabriel Taylor & Agnes Born: 27 Sep 1884 Abode: Hindley Occupation: Sand & Salt Dealer Baptised by: William Reynell Register: Baptisms 1884 - 1886, Page 383, Entry 3058 Source: LDS Film 1885686
Baptisms: 20 Sep 1886 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England William James Taylor - Child of Gabriel Taylor & Agnes Born: 30 Sep 1884 Abode: Hindley Occupation: Sand & Salt Dealer Baptised by: William Reynell Register: Baptisms 1884 - 1886, Page 383, Entry 3059 Source: LDS Film 1885686
Baptisms: 24 Oct 1887 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England Ada Taylor - Child of Gabriel Taylor & Agnes Born: 14 Aug Abode: Hindley Green Occupation: Labourer Baptised by: E. H. H. Brodhurst Curate Register: Baptisms 1886 - 1889, Page 169, Entry 1345 Source: LDS Film 1885687
Baptisms: 29 Mar 1891 All Saints, Hindley, Lancashire, England Mary Ellen Taylor - Child of Gabriel Taylor & Agnes Born: 2 Feb 1891 Abode: Swan Lane Occupation: Hawker Baptised by: C.J.Buckmaster Vicar Register: Baptisms 1886 - 1893, Page 139, Entry 1112 Source: LDS Film 93748
Baptisms: 7 May 1893 All Saints, Hindley, Lancashire, England Esther Lily Taylor - Child of Gabriel Taylor & Agnes Born: 30 Mar 1893 Abode: Green Lane, Swan Lane, Hindley Green Occupation: Hawker Baptised by: Fredk. H.J. Barham Register: Baptisms 1893 - 1901, Page 11, Entry 88 Source: LDS Film 93748
Baptisms: 7 Jul 1895 All Saints, Hindley, Lancashire, England Walter Taylor - Child of Gabriel Taylor & Agnes Born: 17 Jun 1895 Abode: Long Lane Occupation: Stone Dealer Baptised by: Fredk. H.J. Barham, Curate Register: Baptisms 1893 - 1901, Page 95, Entry 755 Source: LDS Film 93748
Baptisms: 12 Jun 1898 All Saints, Hindley, Lancashire, England Agnes Taylor - Child of Gabriel Taylor & Agnes Born: 8 May 1898 Abode: Hindley Green Occupation: Carter Baptised by: Fred.W.Johnstone, Curate Register: Baptisms 1893 - 1901, Page 201, Entry 1601 Source: LDS Film 93748
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This looks possible:
1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Street:20? NELSON STREET Parish:BARNSLEY Town:BARNSLEY City:BARNSLEY County:Yorkshire Country:ENGLAND Ecclesiastical District: Municipal Ward:SOUTH Parliamentary Borough: Registration District:BARNSLEY Registration Sub-District 2B Barnsley Enumeration District:12 Archive Reference:RG10 Piece Number:4645 Folio:157 Page:59
JOSEPH JONES 1831 40 Holywell, Flintshire HEAD M Deputy Manager of Colliery HARRIET JONES 1833 38 Brosely, Shropshire WIFE M THOMAS JONES 1856 15 Hanley, Staffordshire SON U Coal Miner JOHN JONES 1859 12 Hanley, Staffordshire SON Coal Miner SUSANNAH JONES 1861 10 Tunstall, Staffordshire DAUGHTER Scholar EDWARD JONES 1865 6 Hanley, Staffordshire SON Scholar HARRIET JONES 1867 4 Barnsley, Yorkshire DAUGHTER Scholar WILLIAM JONES 1869 2 Barnsley, Yorkshire SON
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Re Jan's 1911 census: I read Agnes's pob as Golborne, Lancs
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1864 Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference HAYES Agnes Lowton Wigan & Leigh BROWN LOW/14/134
Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1857 Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference HAYES James BROWN Jane Leigh Register Office or Registrar Attended Wigan & Leigh ROL/9/10
1871 England Census Transcription County:Lancashire Street:EDGE GREEN Parish:GOLBORNE Registration District:LEIGH Registration Sub-District 1 Lowton Enumeration District:1 Archive Reference:RG10 Piece Number:3910 Folio:15 Page:24 - Folio:16 Page:25
JAMES HEYES 1839 32 Golborne, Lancashire HEAD M Coal Miner JANE HEYES 1840 31 Warrington, Lancashire WIFE M Housewife JOSEPH HEYES 1861 10 Golborne, Lancashire SON Scholar JAMES HEYES 1863 8 Golborne, Lancashire SON Scholar AGNES HEYES 1865 6 Golborne, Lancashire DAUGHTER Scholar WALTER HEYES 1869 2 Golborne, Lancashire SON JANE HEYES 1871 0[1m] Golborne, Lancashire DAUGHTER
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