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Dreaded Jones.... Lancashire

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Mark

Mark Report 24 Dec 2012 17:00

I would appreciate some assistance in finding this family in 1911..

Edward Jones 1865 - married Zilpah Frankland and had the following children

Elizabeth Jones 1888 - quite a gap before next child
Norah Jones 1895
Maggie 1899
Annie 1900

Thanks

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 24 Dec 2012 17:06

Just to place them:


1901 England Census

Name: Zilpah Jones
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Edward Jones
Gender: Female
Where born: Crawshawbooth, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Standish with Langtree
Ecclesiastical parish: Shevington St Anne
County/Island: Lancashire

Registration district: Wigan
Sub-registration district: Standish

Edward Jones 36
Zilpah Jones 37
Elizabeth H Jones 13
Nora Jones 6
Maggie Jones 2
Annie Jones 4 Months Where born: Rhosllannerchrugog, Denbighshire, Wales

Mark

Mark Report 24 Dec 2012 17:09

Thank you Brummiejan - Happy Christmas

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 24 Dec 2012 17:12

Just wondering about this:

Deaths Mar 1905 (>99%)
Jones Zilpah 40 Wigan 8c 59

Jan

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 24 Dec 2012 17:12

Happy Christmas to you too!!
Jan

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 24 Dec 2012 17:15

I think this is them:


1911 England Census about Annie Jones
Name: Annie Jones
Age in 1911: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1901
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Dentife, Rhollanerehing
Civil parish: Great Harwood
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 16 Spring St Gt Harwoodk W Blackburn
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: School
Registration district: Blackburn
Registration District Number: 474
Sub-registration district: Harwood
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Piece: 25008
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward Jones 46 b. Hanley
Agnest Jones 46 b. Bramshaw lancs
Nora Jones 16
Maggie Jones 13
Annie Jones 10
Lucy Jones 8
Jane Annie Taylor 26
Lily Taylor 17
Agnes Taylor 13

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 24 Dec 2012 17:16

The above Edward and Agnes have only been married 5 years, which fits with death of Zilpah.

ADDED Nora born Crawshawbooth 1911 which clinches it I think!

Jan

Mark

Mark Report 24 Dec 2012 17:17

So Zilpah died and Edward remarries to Agnes....

Thank you

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 24 Dec 2012 17:20

I think she was Agnes Taylor, as the other children are step-children to Edward.
So it seems possible that this is the marriage:

Marriages Dec 1905 (>99%)
ASPINALL Ellen Wigan 8c 43
HALLIWELL Ralph Wigan 8c 43
JONES Edward Wigan 8c 43
TAYLOR Agnes Wigan 8c 43

Jan

Mark

Mark Report 24 Dec 2012 17:28

Just found it - i came to same conclusion... Thank's

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 24 Dec 2012 17:29

Just one more comment - be thankful Edward had the aforethought to marry a Zilpah and have a daughter born in Crawshawbooth. Must have been thinking of you trying to sort out the Jones tree! :-D

Mark

Mark Report 24 Dec 2012 17:32

Very true......Shame the children with first wife have such common names - wasnt thinking much of me then was he lol

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 24 Dec 2012 17:41

Now Mike, have a little gratitude -at least the children were born somewhere called Horsley Green and Agnes was born Golborne - could be worse!
jan

Mark

Mark Report 24 Dec 2012 17:43

My name is Mark - thanks ;-)

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 24 Dec 2012 17:44

Oops! I wasn't saying you should be grateful to me by the way, if that's how it came across!! I meant to edward.
Over & out.
Jan

mgnv

mgnv Report 25 Dec 2012 07:04

Using http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/
Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1887
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
JONES Edward FRANKLAND Zilpah Hyndburn Register Office or Registrar Attended Preston RM/68/193

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years:
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
1888 JONES Elizabeth Hannah Rossendale Preston FRANKLAND ROSS/45/100
1889 JONES Joseph Edward Rossendale Preston FRANKLAND ROSS/47/10
1890 JONES Margaret Elsie Frankland Rossendale Preston FRANKLAND ROSS/48/21
1895 JONES Norah Rossendale Preston FRANKLAND ROSS/52/96
1898 JONES Maggie Colne Preston COL/127/50
1902 JONES Lucy Standish Wigan & Leigh FRANKLAND STND/37/381

Lancashire Death indexes for the years:
Surname Forename(s) Age Sub-District Registers At Reference
1890 JONES Margaret Elsie Frankland 0 Rossendale Preston ROSS/31/72
1894 JONES Joseph Edward 4 Rossendale Preston ROSS/34/67
1905 JONES Zilpah 40 Hindley Wigan & Leigh HNDL/89/123

http://www.northwalesbmd.org.uk/
North Wales Birth indexes for the years: 1900
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
JONES Annie Ruabon Wrexham County Borough (Wrexham) RBN/071/65
[Rhosllanerchrugog is abt 6km SW of Wrexham & 3km N of Ruabon]

I wonder abt this one:
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1893
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
JONES Milton Frankland Newton Manchester NEW/135/77

Deaths Sep 1893 (>99%)
Jones Milton Frankland 0 Prestwich 8d 274



[1901 Maggie pob=Colne; Zilpah/older kids pob=Crawshawbooth; Ed pob=Hanley, Staffs. occup=coal miner]

1891 England Census Transcription
County:Lancashire
Street:5 ROCK TERRACE
Parish:HIGHER BOOTHS
Town:CRAWSHAW BOOTH
City:RAWTENSTALL
Ecclesiastical District:ALL SAINTS
Municipal Ward:WEST
Parliamentary Borough:ROSSENDALE
Registration District:HASLINGDEN
Registration Sub-District 2A Rossendale
Enumeration District:5
Archive Reference:RG12 Piece Number:3349 Folio:101 Page:3

ROBERT FRANKLAND 1831 60 Gisburn, Yorkshire HEAD M Traveller for Mill Stores
MARGARET FRANKLAND 1827 64 Crawshaw Booth, Lancashire WIFE M
ZILPAH JONES 1864 27 Crawshawbooth, Lancashire DAUGHTER M Cotton Weaver
ELIZABETH ANN JONES 1888 3 Crawshawbooth, Lancashire GRANDDAUGHTER
JOSEPH EDWARD JONES 1890 1 Crawshawbooth, Lancashire GRANDSON

mgnv

mgnv Report 25 Dec 2012 07:04

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1905
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
JONES Edward TAYLOR Agnes St. Peter, Hindley Wigan & Leigh C16/3/172

Using http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/
Marriage: 2 Dec 1905 St Peter, Hindley, Lancs.
Edward Jones - 41 Commission Agent Widower of 9 Progress Street
Agnes Taylor - (X), 41 Widow of Birch Farm Hindley Green
Groom's Father: Joseph Jones, Underground Manager
Bride's Father: James Hayes, (Deceased), Collier
Witness: Peter Leyland, (X); E. H. Layland
Married by Banns by: J. Wellstead
Register: Marriages 1902 - 1916, Page 86, Entry 172
Source: Original register at Wigan Archives

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1883
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
HAYES Agnes TAYLOR Gabriel All Saints, Hindley Wigan & Leigh C15/4/146

Marriage: 3 Dec 1883 All Saints, Hindley, Lancs.
Gabriel Taylor - (X), 23 General Dealer Bachelor of Hindley Green
Agnes Hayes - (X), 19 Mill Hand Spinster of Hindley Green
Groom's Father: John Taylor, General Dealer
Bride's Father: James Hayes, (deceased), Collier
Witness: Harriet Brown; James Hayes
Married by Banns by: R. Morris, Curate
Register: Marriages 1880 - 1891, Page 73, Entry 146
Source: LDS Film 93750

These can't all be Agnes's:
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years:
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
1882 TAYLOR Ellen Ann Hindley Wigan & Leigh HAYES HNDL/74/305
1883 TAYLOR Thomas William Hindley Wigan & Leigh HAYES HNDL/80/103
1884 TAYLOR Jane Ann Hindley Wigan & Leigh HEYES HNDL/82/248
1885 TAYLOR Alice Hindley Wigan & Leigh HAYES HNDL/85/179
1885 TAYLOR William James Hindley Wigan & Leigh HEYES HNDL/85/357
1887 TAYLOR Eda Hindley Wigan & Leigh HEYES HNDL/91/466
1888 TAYLOR Edith Hindley Wigan & Leigh HAYES HNDL/93/286
1889 TAYLOR Emily Hindley Wigan & Leigh HEYES HNDL/98/138
1890 TAYLOR Mary Ellen Hindley Wigan & Leigh HEYES HNDL/100/373
1891 TAYLOR Mary Ellen Hindley Wigan & Leigh HAYES HNDL/103/462
1891 TAYLOR Elizabeth Hindley Wigan & Leigh HAYES HNDL/106/289
1893 TAYLOR Thomas Hindley Wigan & Leigh HAYES HNDL/111/277
1893 TAYLOR Esther Lily Hindley Wigan & Leigh HAYES HNDL/112/227
1893 TAYLOR Jane Hindley Wigan & Leigh HAYES HNDL/113/209
1894 TAYLOR John Hindley Wigan & Leigh HEYES HNDL/118/402
1895 TAYLOR Walter Hindley Wigan & Leigh HAYES HNDL/121/29
1898 TAYLOR Agnes Hindley Wigan & Leigh HAYES HNDL/132/33
1900 TAYLOR Edward Hindley Wigan & Leigh HEYES HNDL/141/425

Lancashire Death indexes for the years: 1905
Surname Forename(s) Age Sub-District Registers At Reference
TAYLOR Gabriel 43 Hindley Wigan & Leigh HNDL/89/420



Look at the dobs of the "twins" - I think they stuffed up on years
Baptisms: 20 Sep 1886 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England
Jane Anne Taylor - Child of Gabriel Taylor & Agnes
Born: 27 Sep 1884
Abode: Hindley
Occupation: Sand & Salt Dealer
Baptised by: William Reynell
Register: Baptisms 1884 - 1886, Page 383, Entry 3058
Source: LDS Film 1885686

Baptisms: 20 Sep 1886 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England
William James Taylor - Child of Gabriel Taylor & Agnes
Born: 30 Sep 1884
Abode: Hindley
Occupation: Sand & Salt Dealer
Baptised by: William Reynell
Register: Baptisms 1884 - 1886, Page 383, Entry 3059
Source: LDS Film 1885686

Baptisms: 24 Oct 1887 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England
Ada Taylor - Child of Gabriel Taylor & Agnes
Born: 14 Aug
Abode: Hindley Green
Occupation: Labourer
Baptised by: E. H. H. Brodhurst Curate
Register: Baptisms 1886 - 1889, Page 169, Entry 1345
Source: LDS Film 1885687

Baptisms: 29 Mar 1891 All Saints, Hindley, Lancashire, England
Mary Ellen Taylor - Child of Gabriel Taylor & Agnes
Born: 2 Feb 1891
Abode: Swan Lane
Occupation: Hawker
Baptised by: C.J.Buckmaster Vicar
Register: Baptisms 1886 - 1893, Page 139, Entry 1112
Source: LDS Film 93748

Baptisms: 7 May 1893 All Saints, Hindley, Lancashire, England
Esther Lily Taylor - Child of Gabriel Taylor & Agnes
Born: 30 Mar 1893
Abode: Green Lane, Swan Lane, Hindley Green
Occupation: Hawker
Baptised by: Fredk. H.J. Barham
Register: Baptisms 1893 - 1901, Page 11, Entry 88
Source: LDS Film 93748

Baptisms: 7 Jul 1895 All Saints, Hindley, Lancashire, England
Walter Taylor - Child of Gabriel Taylor & Agnes
Born: 17 Jun 1895
Abode: Long Lane
Occupation: Stone Dealer
Baptised by: Fredk. H.J. Barham, Curate
Register: Baptisms 1893 - 1901, Page 95, Entry 755
Source: LDS Film 93748

Baptisms: 12 Jun 1898 All Saints, Hindley, Lancashire, England
Agnes Taylor - Child of Gabriel Taylor & Agnes
Born: 8 May 1898
Abode: Hindley Green
Occupation: Carter
Baptised by: Fred.W.Johnstone, Curate
Register: Baptisms 1893 - 1901, Page 201, Entry 1601
Source: LDS Film 93748

mgnv

mgnv Report 25 Dec 2012 07:27

This looks possible:

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Street:20? NELSON STREET
Parish:BARNSLEY
Town:BARNSLEY
City:BARNSLEY
County:Yorkshire
Country:ENGLAND
Ecclesiastical District:
Municipal Ward:SOUTH
Parliamentary Borough:
Registration District:BARNSLEY
Registration Sub-District 2B Barnsley
Enumeration District:12
Archive Reference:RG10 Piece Number:4645 Folio:157 Page:59

JOSEPH JONES 1831 40 Holywell, Flintshire HEAD M Deputy Manager of Colliery
HARRIET JONES 1833 38 Brosely, Shropshire WIFE M
THOMAS JONES 1856 15 Hanley, Staffordshire SON U Coal Miner
JOHN JONES 1859 12 Hanley, Staffordshire SON Coal Miner
SUSANNAH JONES 1861 10 Tunstall, Staffordshire DAUGHTER Scholar
EDWARD JONES 1865 6 Hanley, Staffordshire SON Scholar
HARRIET JONES 1867 4 Barnsley, Yorkshire DAUGHTER Scholar
WILLIAM JONES 1869 2 Barnsley, Yorkshire SON

mgnv

mgnv Report 25 Dec 2012 12:26

Re Jan's 1911 census:
I read Agnes's pob as Golborne, Lancs

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1864
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
HAYES Agnes Lowton Wigan & Leigh BROWN LOW/14/134

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1857
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
HAYES James BROWN Jane Leigh Register Office or Registrar Attended Wigan & Leigh ROL/9/10


1871 England Census Transcription
County:Lancashire
Street:EDGE GREEN
Parish:GOLBORNE
Registration District:LEIGH
Registration Sub-District 1 Lowton
Enumeration District:1
Archive Reference:RG10 Piece Number:3910 Folio:15 Page:24 - Folio:16 Page:25

JAMES HEYES 1839 32 Golborne, Lancashire HEAD M Coal Miner
JANE HEYES 1840 31 Warrington, Lancashire WIFE M Housewife
JOSEPH HEYES 1861 10 Golborne, Lancashire SON Scholar
JAMES HEYES 1863 8 Golborne, Lancashire SON Scholar
AGNES HEYES 1865 6 Golborne, Lancashire DAUGHTER Scholar
WALTER HEYES 1869 2 Golborne, Lancashire SON
JANE HEYES 1871 0[1m] Golborne, Lancashire DAUGHTER