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26 Dec 2012 23:44 |
Hi all please may I ask for some assistance tracking down information on my 2x Great Grandfather Edward Stone?
I believe his father may have been Charles Stone (1816c) as they both lived at 177-178 Mousehole Lane, Millbrook, Southampton.
He was born 1845c in Winchester and died prior to the 1911 census in Shirley. In the 1911 census his wife Alice Stone was still alive as a widow with three (of five) daughters still living at 64 Pound Street, Shirley, Southampton.
Using the census results there was approximately 12-13 years between Edward & Alice. So I believe Alice to be born approximately 1858c.
He had five daughters all born in Southampton: Bessie Stone (c1879), Mary Stone (c1883), Ethel Stone (c1889), Caroline/Carrie Stone (c1895) and Rose Stone (c1901). Caroline Stone being my great grandmother.
I searched for a marriage record on Genes in the 1870’s before their first born and it returned a result for December 1874 in Shirley, Southampton. It said Edward married either a Sarah Jane Mills, Alice Gale or Edmund Powell. I checked this against familysearch.org and it gave the following results:
Alice Gale born 1853 married Edmund Powell 26/12/1874 - Parent Edward Gale Edward William Stone born 1844 married Sarah Jane Mills 27/12/2012 - Parent Charles Stone Is it possible familysearch.org just has a typo? All the names, age differences and Edwards’s father all seem to be very coincidental?
The only other marriage I can find is Edward Stone & Alice Stone - 7 Aug 1879 St. John's, Portland, Dorset, England but there are no other details.
Going back to my great grandmother Caroline Stone I have ordered what I believe to be her birth and death certificates: 1895 Mar S. Stoneham 2c 78 1950 Mar Southampton 6b 679
Thank you all in advance.
Kind Regards
David :-)
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AnnCardiff
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26 Dec 2012 23:46 |
Edward William Stone England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 christening: 29 Sep 1844 St. Thomas,? Winchester,? Hampshire,? England residence: Hampshire,? England parents: Charles Stone,? Mary Anne Stone
name: Edward William Stone gender: Male baptism/christening date: 29 Sep 1844 baptism/christening place: St. Thomas, Winchester, Hampshire, England father's name: Charles Stone mother's name: Mary Anne Stone indexing project (batch) number: I04099-8 system origin: England-EASy source film number: 1596406 Edward Stone England and Wales Census, 1881 birth: 1845 Winchester,? Hampshire,? England census: 1881 Millbrook,? Hampshire,? England name: Edward Stone age: 36 gender: Male birth year: 1845 birthplace: Winchester, Hampshire, England relationship to head of household: Lodger Head marital condition: Married profession/occupation: Gen Lab address: 108 Pound St census place: Millbrook, Hampshire, England record type: Household family history library film: 1341299 the national archives reference: RG11 piece/folio: 1221 / 73 page number: 25 Edward Stone England and Wales Census, 1861 birth: 1845 Winchester,? Hampshire census: 1861 Millbrook,? Hampshire,? England name: Edward Stone event: Census event date: 1861 gender: Male age: 16 relationship to head of household: Son birthplace: Winchester, Hampshire record type: Household registration district: South Stoneham sub-district: 3 Millbrook ecclesiastical parish: Shirley civil parish: Millbrook county: Hampshire Edward Stone England and Wales Census, 1901 birth: 1845 Winchester census: 31 Mar 1901 Shirley,? Hampshire,? England name: Edward Stone event: Census event date: 31 Mar 1901 gender: Male age: 56 relationship to head of household: Head birthplace: Winchester record type: Household registration district: South Stoneham sub-district: Millbrook ecclesiastical parish: Shirley St James civil parish: Shirley county: Hampshire
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AnnCardiff
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26 Dec 2012 23:50 |
Mathilda Stone England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 christening: 07 Nov 1841 St. Thomas,? Winchester,? Hampshire,? England residence: Hampshire,? England parents: Charles Stone,? Mary Ann Stone
name: Mathilda Stone gender: Female baptism/christening date: 07 Nov 1841 baptism/christening place: St. Thomas, Winchester, Hampshire, England father's name: Charles Stone mother's name: Mary Ann Stone indexing project (batch) number: I04099-8 system origin: England-EASy source film number: 1596406 Harry Stone England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 christening: 29 Dec 1847 St. Thomas,? Winchester,? Hampshire,? England residence: Hampshire,? England parents: Charles Stone,? Mary Ann Stone
name: Harry Stone gender: Male baptism/christening date: 29 Dec 1847 baptism/christening place: St. Thomas, Winchester, Hampshire, England father's name: Charles Stone mother's name: Mary Ann Stone indexing project (batch) number: I04099-8 system origin: England-EASy source film number: 1596406 Alfred Stone England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 christening: 29 Dec 1847 St. Thomas,? Winchester,? Hampshire,? England residence: Hampshire,? England parents: Charles Stone,? Mary Ann Stone
name: Alfred Stone gender: Male baptism/christening date: 29 Dec 1847 baptism/christening place: St. Thomas, Winchester, Hampshire, England father's name: Charles Stone mother's name: Mary Ann Stone indexing project (batch) number: I04099-8 system origin: England-EASy source film number: 1596406
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AnnCardiff
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26 Dec 2012 23:53 |
think I'm hallucinating - wasn't your photograph your avatar when I opened this thread? :-D :-S
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alviegal
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26 Dec 2012 23:54 |
1881 census transcription details for: 108, Pound St, Millbrook Print Close
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG11 Piece: 1221 Folio: 73 Page: 25 Reg. District: South Stoneham Sub District: Millbrook Parish: Millbrook Enum. District: Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Address: 108, Pound St, Millbrook County: Hampshire Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born GRITT, James Head Married M 42 1839 Brick Lab Eling Netley, Hampshire GRITT, Kate Wife Married F 48 1833 Basset STONE, Edward Lodger Head Married M 36 1845 Gen Lab Winchester, Hampshire >>STONE, Sarah Jane Wife Married F 31 1850 Bridport, Dorset STONE, Bessie Emily Daughter Single F 2 1879 Shirley, Hampshire
1891 census transcription details for: 28, Russell Terrace, Millbrook, Freemantle Print Close
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG12 Piece: 928 Folio: 69 Page: 10 Reg. District: South Stoneham Sub District: Millbrook Parish: Millbrook Enum. District: 11 Ecclesiastical District: Christchurch Freemantle City/Municipal Borough: Address: 28, Russell Terrace, Millbrook, Freemantle County: Hampshire Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born STONE, Edward Head Married M 46 1845 General Labourer Winchester, Hampshire >>STONE, Alice Rose Wife Married F 31 1860 Marchwood, Hampshire STONE, Bessie Daughter F 12 1879 Scholar Shirley, Hampshire STONE, Mary Daughter F 5 1886 Freemantle, Hampshire STONE, Ethel Daughter F 2 1889 Freemantle, Hampshire
So Sarah probably died sometime inbetween.
1901 census transcription details for: 64, Pound Street, Shirley Print Close
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG13 Piece: 1073 Folio: 18 Page: 27 Reg. District: South Stoneham Sub District: Millbrook Parish: Shirley Enum. District: 12 Ecclesiastical District: Shirley St James City/Municipal Borough: Address: 64, Pound Street, Shirley County: Hampshire Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born STONE, Edward Head Married M 56 1845 Bricklayers Labourer Winchester STONE, Alice Wife F 43 1858 Marchwood, Hampshire STONE, Ethel Daughter F 12 1889 Freemantle Soton STONE, Carrie Daughter F 8 1893 Freemantle STONE, Rose Daughter F 0 (8 MOS) 1901 Freemantle
1911 census transcription details for: 64 Pound Street Shirley Southampton Print Close
National Archive Reference:
RG14PN5995 RG78PN274 RD99 SD2 ED7 SN208 Reg. District: Southampton Sub District: Southampton Western Parish: Shirley Enum. District: 7 Address: 64 Pound Street Shirley Southampton County: Hampshire Name Relation Condition/ Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born STONE, Alice Head Widow F 52 1859 Not Any Shirley Hampshire STONE, Caroline Daughter Singel F 17 1894 Shirley Hampshire STONE, Rose Daughter Singel F 12 1899 Shirley Hampshire CHANDLER, Percy Son In Law Married M 36 1875 French Polisher Shirley Hampshire CHANDLER, Mary Daughter Married 4 years F 22 1889 Shirley Hampshire CHANDLER, Helen Daughter F 3 1908 Shirley Hampshire
Under Years Married, 23 has been written and scored out. 8 children had been born but only 3 were still living had also been scored out.
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David
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26 Dec 2012 23:55 |
Thank you Ann, your information confirms my suspicions that he was Edward William Stone. His grandson Edward John Stone had noted down his name was Edward John Stone and that he was in the Kings Royal Rifle Corps??
It would mean his mum is also likely to be Mary Ann Ligh/Light which I had noted down somewhere. Now to find out Edwards wife’s maiden name. I’m hoping it’s just a typo and I have found the correct marriage record.
Any more help would be much appreciated. :-)
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AnnCardiff
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26 Dec 2012 23:59 |
this looks good as it has the full name - Edward William Stone
Charle Henry Stone England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 christening: 03 Oct 1875 SHIRLEY BY SOUTHAMPTON,?HAMPSHIRE,?ENGLAND parents: Edward William Stone,? Sarah Jane
name: Charle Henry Stone gender: Male baptism/christening date: 03 Oct 1875 baptism/christening place: SHIRLEY BY SOUTHAMPTON,HAMPSHIRE,ENGLAND father's name: Edward William Stone mother's name: Sarah Jane indexing project (batch) number: C13758-2 system origin: England-ODM source film number: 1041745
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David
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26 Dec 2012 23:59 |
Thank you alviegal, now im wondering if he married Sarah Jane Mills had Bessie Stone and then re-married a Alice??? - very confused.
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alviegal
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27 Dec 2012 00:01 |
?? England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915 about Sarah Jane Stone Name: Sarah Jane Stone Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850 Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1881 Age at Death: 31 Registration district: South Stoneham Inferred County: Hampshire Volume: 2c Page: 42
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David
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27 Dec 2012 00:11 |
Thank you both for your help, it's looking very possible that he remarried. Sarah Jane would have died when Bessie was aged just three. Would it be plausible that he re-married and had a another child with a Alice in just under a year though?
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alviegal
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27 Dec 2012 00:20 |
There was another Edward Stone, born Portland, Dorset, 1850 who married an Alice, so that is possibly the marriage that you found.
The only other marriage I can find is Edward Stone & Alice Stone - 7 Aug 1879 St. John's, Portland, Dorset, England but there are no other details.
Maybe your Edward and Alice did not marry. I think you need to wait until you receive Caroline's birth certificate.
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David
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27 Dec 2012 00:39 |
Thank you once again.
I believe they were married as Alice Stone was on my grandfathers (Caroline Stone's son) birth certificate. Also it stated married/widowed in each census and mentioned Edward was from Winchester and Alice was from Marchwood.
The certificates should be delivered imminently however I assume they have been held up due to the christmas post.
I did feel it was unusual he was still having kids at 56 but if he had re-married this would make more sense.
Thanks
David
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27 Dec 2012 02:14 |
Deaths Sep 1881 Stone Sarah Jane 31 S.Stoneham 2c 42
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David
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1 Jan 2013 23:22 |
Hi all thank you for your help.
I have received Caroline deaths certificate today which has my grandfather Ronald Stone as the informant. It would put her birth as 1894 but the shocker is her name is listed as Carrie Waterhouse otherwise Caroline Stone.
I have put a link below to a scan of the certificate: http://oi48.tinypic.com/5xlm3s.jpg
Of course the birth certificate I ordered is the incorrect one, but I can’t find a Caroline Stone or Carrie Waterhouse born in 1894. There is however a Caroline Stone born in 1892?
I also can’t find a marriage certificate, and everyone in the family is certain she never married. In the census records she is only referred to as Carrie in the 1901 census but as Carrie Stone. Is it possible she was adopted?
Thanks :-)
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alviegal
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1 Jan 2013 23:53 |
Would this not be her birth?
Civil Registration event: Birth Print Close Name: STONE, Caroline Registration district: South Stoneham County: Hampshire Year of registration: 1892 Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1911 Q3 Volume no: 2C Page no: 73
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Civil Registration event: Birth Print Close Name: STONE, Caroline Alice Registration district: South Stoneham County: Hampshire Year of registration: 1895 Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1911 Q3 Volume no: 2C Page no: 78
Which one did you order?
Perhaps she was known as Carrie Waterhouse in later life. Did she live with a Mr Waterhouse possibly? Or maybe she had another reason to have an alias.
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alviegal
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2 Jan 2013 00:00 |
This seems to be the death of the second one.
Civil Registration event: Death Print Close Name: STONE, Caroline Alice Registration district: South Stoneham County: Hampshire Year of registration: 1896 Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep Age at death: 1 Volume no: 2C Page no: 39
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David
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6 Jan 2013 21:35 |
Thank you Alviegal I ordered the 1895 certificate as it seemed to be the closest match in age, and as her mother was Alice it seemed to match. I shall order the 1892 one however it would mean her age on her death certificate and the census results would be incorrect?
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David
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6 Jan 2013 21:38 |
Also I checked with my Nan regarding Waterhouse and she seems to remember she had a boyfriend in her later years which may have been called Arthur Waterhouse. When the 1941 census gets released I will hopefully know!
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alviegal
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7 Jan 2013 13:22 |
I hope you're prepared for a long wait David! 1941 won't be released until 2041. :-D :-D
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Christina(Lancashire)
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7 Jan 2013 21:57 |
There wasn't a census in 1941 due to WW2.
There was, however, the National Identity Card in 1939. Details from these are available now (for a fee of £42) relating to individuals who have died.
Basic facts about the 1939 National Identity Card
Taken on the night of Friday 29th September 1939.
Details recorded for each person were:
Residence Name Sex Date of birth Marital status Occupation If member of armed forces or reserves
http://www.1911census.org.uk/1939.htm
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