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AnnCardiff
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28 Dec 2012 20:05 |
so we have someone famous on the boards!!!!! :-D :-D :-D
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Norfolkboy
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28 Dec 2012 20:02 |
Wow!! Chris Ho & Kucinta, Didn't expect this when i now logged on, This is Fantastic, I have been stuck on this for a long long time, I knew there were a lot of Copland's around the Buxton Area and until now could not find a connection to them, You have done this and much more. I have photograph's from my Grandfather's house, Charles Copland 1877 of Scottish Soldiers with no info and know there are a lot of Copland's from Scotland, maybe this will get me on the track again. Ironically, I am also a Cordwainer and was priviledged to have made the Page Boy Shoes for Prince William's wedding to Kate Middleton. Many, Many Thanks, Much appreciated.
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Kucinta
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28 Dec 2012 10:35 |
Marriage for Edward Copland and Ann Fabb.
groom's name: Edward Copland groom's birth date: groom's birthplace: groom's age: bride's name: Ann Fabb bride's birth date: bride's birthplace: bride's age: marriage date: 11 Nov 1777 marriage place: Buxton, Norfolk, England groom's father's name: groom's mother's name: bride's father's name: bride's mother's name: groom's race: groom's marital status: groom's previous wife's name: bride's race: bride's marital status: bride's previous husband's name: indexing project (batch) number: I03902-3 system origin: England-EASy source film number: 1596233
Another transcription has the marriage date as 9th Nov 1777.
On the Freereg transcription, one witness was Richard Copland. The second witness wasn't listed.
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Chris Ho :)
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28 Dec 2012 10:33 |
Lol Kucinta, I found above items last night, but was getting late for me, thought I'd do 'Birth' this morning...then found you have it, well done on that, just hope it's all ok. FreeReg can be good for Norfolk.
Chris :)
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Kucinta
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28 Dec 2012 10:29 |
Yes!!!!!!!!!!
He's a cordwainer in census 1841, so shoemaker fits.
Well done Chris!
Name: John Copland Age: 55 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1786 Gender: Male Where born: Norfolk, England Civil parish: St Lawrence Hundred: Norwich County/Island: Norfolk Country: England Street Address:
Registration district: Norwich Sub-registration district: West Wymer Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 789 Book: 7 Folio: 16 Page Number: 26 Household Members: Name Age John Copland 21 cordwainer John Copland 55 cordwainer Francis Copland 55 William S Copland 18
All born in county.
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Kucinta
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28 Dec 2012 10:24 |
So if Chris is right in putting two and two together, John from Buxton could well have been Frances' widower when he married Mary Long nee Bell, and Thomas Lond in census 1851 is probably Thomas Long, his stepson?
So it's just possible that Buxton baptism is a contender after all?
Chris, you're brilliant! :-D
And I give up too easily...
Can we find John as a shoemaker with Frances in 1841 census?
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Chris Ho :)
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28 Dec 2012 08:08 |
Burial County Norfolk Place Norwich Church St Gregory RegisterNumber 737 BurialDate 17 Jul 1842 Forename Frances Relationship Rel1MaleForename Rel1FemaleForename Rel1Surname Surname COPLAND Age 58 Abode St Lawrence
County Norfolk Place Norwich Church St Gregory RegisterNumber 113 MarriageDate 01 Jun 1848 GroomForename John GroomSurname COPLAND GroomAge GroomParish GroomCondition Widower GroomOccupation Shoemaker GroomAbode St Gregory BrideForename Mary BrideSurname LONG BrideAge BrideParish BrideCondition Widow BrideOccupation BrideAbode St Gregory GroomFatherForename Edward GroomFatherSurname COPLAND GroomFatherOccupation Weaver BrideFatherForename John BrideFatherSurname BELL BrideFatherOccupation Labourer WitnessOneForename George WitnessOneSurname MORTIMER WitnessTwoForename Paul WitnessTwoSurname PERRY Notes He signs X She signs X
Chris :)
http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl
(from above link)
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Kucinta
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28 Dec 2012 00:28 |
The nearest I can find is this one, but probably not likely:
SECOND EDIT. Thanks to Chris, now looks extremely likely.
County Norfolk Place Buxton Church St Andrew At RegisterNumber DateOfBirth BaptismDate * * 1784 Forename John Sex M FatherForename Edward MotherForename Ann FatherSurname COPLAND MotherSurname FABB Abode FatherOccupation Notes FileNumber 10033
EDIT. Looks like census 1851 rules him out, as he's married to Mary.
Address: St Johns Head Yard, St Michaels At Coslany, Norwich County: Norfolk
COPLAND, John Head Married M 66 1785 Shoe Maker Buxton, Norfolk COPLAND, Mary Wife Married F 59 1792 Taverham, Norfolk LOND, Thomas Son In Law M 16 1835 Shoe Maker Norwich
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Norfolkboy
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27 Dec 2012 22:11 |
That's my Brick Wall !! Many Thanks for trying.
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AnnCardiff
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27 Dec 2012 22:02 |
not having much luck finding his parents
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Norfolkboy
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27 Dec 2012 21:58 |
it's getting interesting, AnnCardiff.
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AnnCardiff
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27 Dec 2012 21:48 |
Willm. Samson England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 christening: 07 Oct 1781 SAINT GREGORY,?NORWICH,?NORFOLK,?ENGLAND death: 07 Mar 1782 parents: William Samson,? Frances
name: Willm. Samson gender: Male baptism/christening date: 07 Oct 1781 baptism/christening place: SAINT GREGORY,NORWICH,NORFOLK,ENGLAND death date: 07 Mar 1782 father's name: William Samson mother's name: Frances indexing project (batch) number: C04803-1 system origin: England-ODM source film number: 993653 Mary Thurston Samson England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 christening: 19 Sep 1779 SAINT GREGORY,?NORWICH,?NORFOLK,?ENGLAND death: 13 Apr 1794 parents: Willm. Samson,? Frances
name: Mary Thurston Samson gender: Female baptism/christening date: 19 Sep 1779 baptism/christening place: SAINT GREGORY,NORWICH,NORFOLK,ENGLAND death date: 13 Apr 1794 father's name: Willm. Samson mother's name: Frances indexing project (batch) number: C04803-1 system origin: England-ODM source film number: 993653
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BeverleyW
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27 Dec 2012 21:45 |
Another son christened on the same day or a transcription error?
name: John Samson Copland gender: Male baptism/christening date: 07 Apr 1817 baptism/christening place: St. Gregory, Norwich, Norfolk, England birth date: birthplace: death date: name note: race: father's name: John Copland father's birthplace: father's age: mother's name: Frances Samson
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AnnCardiff
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27 Dec 2012 21:45 |
two different middle names :-S
Frances Samson England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 spouse: John Copland child: John Samson Copland
name: John Samson Copland gender: Male baptism/christening date: 07 Apr 1817 baptism/christening place: St. Gregory, Norwich, Norfolk, England father's name: John Copland mother's name: Frances Samson indexing project (batch) number: I07366-4 system origin: England-EASy source film number: 1517747
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AnnCardiff
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27 Dec 2012 21:44 |
Frances Samson England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 birth: 27 May 1784 christening: 30 May 1784 SAINT GREGORY,?NORWICH,?NORFOLK,?ENGLAND parents: William Samson,? Frances Knowles
name: Frances Samson gender: Female baptism/christening date: 30 May 1784 baptism/christening place: SAINT GREGORY,NORWICH,NORFOLK,ENGLAND birth date: 27 May 1784 father's name: William Samson mother's name: Frances Knowles indexing project (batch) number: C04803-1 system origin: England-ODM source film number: 993653
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AnnCardiff
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27 Dec 2012 21:41 |
John Copland England, Marriages, 1538–1973 marriage: 16 Apr 1816 St. Gregory,? Norwich,? Norfolk,? England spouse: Frances Samson
groom's name: John Copland bride's name: Frances Samson marriage date: 16 Apr 1816 marriage place: St. Gregory, Norwich, Norfolk, England indexing project (batch) number: I07366-4 system origin: England-EASy source film number: 1517747
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AnnCardiff
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27 Dec 2012 21:40 |
John Copland England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 spouse: Frances Samson child: John Cannon Copland
name: John Cannon Copland gender: Male baptism/christening date: 07 Apr 1817 baptism/christening place: Norwich, St. Gregory, Norfolk, England father's name: John Copland mother's name: Frances Samson indexing project (batch) number: I02274-6 system origin: England-EASy source film number: 1278797
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AnnCardiff
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27 Dec 2012 21:39 |
John Copland England and Wales Census, 1841 birth: 1786 Norfolk census: 1841 St Lawrence,? Norwich,? Norfolk,? England name: John Copland event: Census event date: 1841 gender: Male age: 55 birthplace: Norfolk record type: Household registration district: Norwich sub-district: West Wymer civil parish: St Lawrence county: Norfolk
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Jonesey
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27 Dec 2012 21:33 |
Look for his possible baptism at www.familysearch.org
Presumably you know his birthplace from census records. Bear in mind that not all children were baptised soon after birth if at all.
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Norfolkboy
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27 Dec 2012 21:29 |
Need help please to get further, I have John Copland c1786-1884 marr to Frances Samson, 14/4/1816 at St. Gregory's Norwich, Norfolk. obtained from Norwich Record's Office. No info on Marriage document's. How do i get further info on his parents etc ??
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