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Info on My Dad....Help please!

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Liz

Liz Report 29 Dec 2012 11:21

Wow thank you so much for your help, this stuff is fascinating

Flip

Flip Report 29 Dec 2012 11:27

Not seeing Bernard on the census though under either name Venis or Venicoff, maybe someone could try on FMP?

Liz

Liz Report 29 Dec 2012 11:31

Also looking for when Annie Venis died if anyone can point me in the right direction

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 29 Dec 2012 11:33

1911 census:-

1911 census transcription details for: 128 Uxbridge Road Shep Bush W

National Archive Reference:
RG14PN217 RG78PN7 RD3 SD1 ED21 SN73
Reg. District: Fulham
Sub District: North Hammersmith
Parish: Hammersmith
Enum. District: 21

Address: 128 Uxbridge Road Shep Bush W
County: London

Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born

VENICOFF, Maurice Head Married M 31 1880 Stationer And Retail Tobacconist Russia
VENICOFF, Lillie Wife Married F 27 1884 Cape Colony S Africa Resident
VENICOFF, Reginald Son M 5 1906
VENICOFF, Bernard Son M 3 1908<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Kath. x

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 29 Dec 2012 11:37

Possible birth for Bernard:-


Name: VENICOFF, Bernard
Registration district: Hackney
County: London
Year of registration: 1907
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1911 Q3
Volume no: 1B
Page no: 448

Kath. x

Flip

Flip Report 29 Dec 2012 11:38

That family could be connected in some way, but that one can't be the Bernard who married in 1921.

Flip

Flip Report 29 Dec 2012 11:39

I posted what I think is Annie's death in 1955, Hove, if you look back at the marriage records posted she was known a both Annie and Doris.

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 29 Dec 2012 11:41

He could have lied about his age - and marriage was legal for a 14 year old boy in 1921. (although I agree it's unlikely )

I can't find another birth in England for a Bernard Venis or Venicoff apart from the one in 1907.

Kath. x

Liz

Liz Report 29 Dec 2012 11:46

Hove would be right as my Dad was in the brighton area

My dad was born 10th april 1919 and michael blaustein died 17th Nov 1918 so he be his father or it could be Bernard Venis!

Flip

Flip Report 29 Dec 2012 11:48

Think you're on to something Kath - possibly Maurice is Bernard's brother:

Morris Venicoff
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relation: Stepson
Mother's Name: Annie Sunasky
Gender: Male
Where born: Russia

Civil parish: Spitalfields
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: added: 82 Brick Lane

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Whitechapel
Sub-registration district: Spitalfields
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 156
Piece: 298
Folio: 142
Page Number: 29
Household Members: Name Age
Allie Sunasky 37
Annie Sunasky 36
Morris Venicoff 21 <<<<<<<<<<<
Marks Venicoff 20
Rossie Venicoff 15
Barney Venicoff 12 <<<<<<<<<<<
Fanny Venicoff 10
Louis Hatfstein 16 <<cousin

Added - all family born Russia, children were all step-children of Allie, so must be Annie's children.

Flip

Flip Report 29 Dec 2012 11:56

Abraham Sunasky
Age in 1911: 49
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Russia
Civil parish: Spitalfields
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 82 Brick Lane, Spitalfields E
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 11
Estimated Marriage Year: 1900
Occupation: TABACCONIST STATIONARY
Registration district: Whitechapel
Registration District Number: 18
Sub-registration district: Spitalfields
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Piece: 1462
Household Members: Name Age
Abraham Sunasky 49
Anne Sunasky 49
Rosy Sunasky 24
Fanny Sunasky 19
Lilly Sunasky 7
Barney Sunasky 21 <<<<<<<

They've been married 11 years, just Lily born in London.

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 29 Dec 2012 11:59

Well done Flip - that looks right.

Kath. x

Flip

Flip Report 29 Dec 2012 12:12

Cheers Kath :-D

I think Annie's probate record confirms the change name - probate granted to Marks Venis (tobacconist) who I assume is the Marks Vernicoff from the 1901 census:

Annie Sunasky
Probate Date: 11 Dec 1924
Death Date: 20 Oct 1924
Death Place: Middlesex, England
Registry: London, England

Lived 37 Westwick gds West Kensington, died at 47 Shepherds Bush Road Hammersmith. Left £2144 9s 9d

Flip

Flip Report 29 Dec 2012 12:17

Annie Sunasky
Birth Date: abt 1861
Death Date: 20 Oct 1924
Age at Death: 63
Burial Plot: P-42
Burial Place: London, England, United Kingdom
Comments: Noted on Tombstone: (MAIDEN NAME 'VENIS') <<<
Other Comments: Sections A-R
Cemetery: Edmonton Federation Cemetery
Cemetery Burials: 16294

mgnv

mgnv Report 29 Dec 2012 23:32

Re: Noah Blaustein 1911
Census Reference:RG14PN1094 RG78PN36 RD11 SD3 ED21 SN400
I read his pob as Zloczow, Galacia, Austria.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Galicia_and_Lodomeria has an inset map with 3 N flowing rivers (Warta, Vistula, Bug).
On this map, Zloczow is just W of the source of the Bug, abt 60km E of Lwow.
Ii's now in the western Ukraine and if I look up Zloczów, L'vivs'ka oblast, Ukraine on
http://maps.google.com/ it takes me to Zolochiv, L'vivs'ka oblast, Ukraine which is almost midway between Lviv and Ternopil.

Maybe this is of interest:
http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/psa/zloczow_surn.htm

mgnv

mgnv Report 30 Dec 2012 03:59

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
County:London
Address:1 PRINCELETT STREET SPITALFIELDS E
Parish:SPITALFIELDS
Registration District:WHITECHAPEL
SubDistrict:Spitalfields
Enumeration District:3
Census Reference:RG14PN1455 RG78PN51 RD18 SD1 ED3 SN284

MARKS VENICOFF 1883 28 Charkoff Nat=Russian HEAD M Cigarette Manf
GOLDA VENICOFF 1885 26 Spitalfields, London WIFE M
EVYLN VENICOFF 1910 1 DAUGHTER
ANNIE NICHOLLS 1864 47 London SERVANT W (Domestic Servant) Good

[Marr 1 y; 1 live birth; 1 still living]

Marriages Jun 1909 (>99%)
DINTENFASS Jenny London C 1c 82
GALINSKY Golda London City 1c 82
HARRIS Louis London C 1c 82
VENICOFF Mark London C 1c 82

Births Jun 1910 (>99%)
VENICOFF Eveline Whitechapel 1c 215

I presume Charkoff is a variant transliteration of Kharkov (in the Ukraine).

mgnv

mgnv Report 30 Dec 2012 08:53

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
County:London
Address:10 CLEEVE BUILDINGS E C
Parish:SHOREDITCH
Registration District:SHOREDITCH
SubDistrict:Shoreditch South
Enumeration District:5
Census Reference:RG14PN1326 RG78PN46 RD16 SD1 ED5 SN211

SOLOMON KLEBENSKY 1867 44 Russia HEAD M Boot Repairer
ADELAIDE KLEBENSKY 1866 45 Russia WIFE M
JACK KLEBENSKY 1889 22 Aldgate, London SON S Boot Repairer
ANNIE KLEBENSKY 1895 16 Stamford Hill, London DAUGHTER S Confectioners Shop Assistant
ABRAHAM KLEBENSKY 1897 14 Stamford Hill, London SON S School

[marr 26 y; 7 live burths; 4 still living]


1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
County:London
Street:BRADY STREET
Parish:WHITECHAPEL
City:WHITECHAPEL CHURCH
Municipal Ward:EAST
Parliamentary Borough:WHITECHAPEL
Registration District:WHITECHAPEL
Sub-District 3A Whitechapel Church
Enumeration District:2
Archive Reference:RG12 Piece Number:279 Folio:27 Page:25

SOLOMAN CLEBENSKI 1856 35 Russia HEAD M Boot Laster
ADELAID CLEBENSKI 1863 28 Russia WIFE M
JACK CLEBENSKI 1889 2 Whitechapel, London SON

Liz

Liz Report 30 Dec 2012 21:35

Thanks all so much i never expected to find out this much info