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Gavin

Gavin Report 12 Feb 2013 16:49

Births Mar 1871
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White George William Sheffield 9c 457

Born 19th Jan 1871, 201 Carlisle Street, Brightside, Sheffield.
Registered on 17th Feb 1871.
Father is John White (I cant make the occupation out, looks like salesman of something)
Mother is Eliza White (formerly Holmes)

Gins

Gins Report 12 Feb 2013 16:36

Its a tricky one but dont get too bogged down with the changeable first names. It was quite common to use your middle name as your first

That 1871 census seems to be the correct one for the birth of George as he is 3 months old and that matches with the birth and the census

There is no reason to have any misgivings on the fact that John is from Nottinghamshire, people did move around

What is John' occupation on George' birth certificate?


The father marries as 'John'


Marriages Dec 1864
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Holmes Eliza Sheffield 9c 677
White John Sheffield 9c 677


Have you got the family on the 1881 census or any others for that matter?

Gavin

Gavin Report 12 Feb 2013 09:21

Based on the 1911 Census link to my known ancestors, George Henry White, Violetta Harriet White (formerly Horne) and Charles William White (son) where George lists his place of birth as Carlisle Street in Sheffield, then this is the closest match I have;

Births Mar 1871
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White George William Sheffield 9c 457

Born 19th Jan 1871, 201 Carlisle Street, Brightside, Sheffield.
Registered on 17th Feb 1871.
Father is John White
Mother is Eliza White (formerly Holmes)

However, as per the 1871 Census below, the father is from Nottinghamshire, not Sheffield... and the trade is not Boot & Shoe Makers / Cordwainers which is what I believe my family trade to be.

1871
WHITE, John Head M 28 1843 Nottinghamshire (Blacksmith and Grocer)
WHITE, Eliza Wife F 26 1845 Yorkshire
WHITE, Joseph Son M 6 1865 Yorkshire
WHITE, George Son M 0 1871 Yorkshire
HOLMES, David Father-In-Law M 54 1817 Derbyshire
HOLMES, Lucy Sister F 20 1851 Derbyshire
Piece: 4694
Folio: 133
Page: 26
Registration District: Sheffield
Civil Parish: Brightside Bierlow
Municipal Borough: Sheffield
Address: Carlisle Street, East, Brightside Bierlow, Sheffield
County: Yorkshire

Confused......

Any help finding out if this John White was actually 'Henry John White' or John Henry White' would be useful.

Or any alternative thoughts on George henry White's...... I am over £100 spent on certs and no further forward.... :-(

Gavin

Gavin Report 7 Feb 2013 12:28

thank you. much appreciated.

Gins

Gins Report 5 Feb 2013 22:00

Ages on the censuses are more often than not inaccurate, usually by a year or two.

Ages on a death certificate are only as good as the information that the informant gives, they may not know the correct year/day of birth


All this has got a little convoluted and I need to look through everything again, at the moment I don’t have the time but will keep popping on


:-)

Gavin

Gavin Report 5 Feb 2013 19:55

from the latest information I am still stuck.
On the 1911 census, George Henry White is living at 143 Station Road, Wallsend. I know that to be the correct person.
On that census he states his place of birth as being Carlisle Street, Sheffield.

Initially I was pleased to see one of the 3 certs I received had a birth in Carlisle Street, although it was a George William White born in January 1871.

On the census, George's age is showing as 39 which would mean he was born prior to 03 April 1872 but after 03 April 1871...... so it cant be the Jan 1871 birth in Carlisle Street.

Further to that, on George Henry Whites death certificate, he is shown as aged 53 when he died (04th Oct 1925) which means the DoB would be between Oct 1872 and Oct 1873.

This would indicate his age at marriage or at death was wrong.... have I calculated that correctly?

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 4 Feb 2013 21:27

1871
WHITE, John Head M 28 1843 Nottinghamshire (Blacksmith and Grocer)
WHITE, Eliza Wife F 26 1845 Yorkshire
WHITE, Joseph Son M 6 1865 Yorkshire
WHITE, George Son M 0 1871 Yorkshire
HOLMES, David Father-In-Law M 54 1817 Derbyshire
HOLMES, Lucy Sister F 20 1851 Derbyshire
Piece: 4694
Folio: 133
Page: 26
Registration District: Sheffield
Civil Parish: Brightside Bierlow
Municipal Borough: Sheffield
Address: Carlisle Street, East, Brightside Bierlow, Sheffield
County: Yorkshire

(one of your Certs)

Chris :)

1871 ( other just before!)
WHITE, John Head M 34 1837 Yorkshire (Crucible Maker)
WHITE, Emma Wife F 32 1839 Yorkshire (Provision Shop Keeper)
WHITE, Herbert Son M 8 1863 Yorkshire
WHITE, Flora Daughter F 0 1871 Yorkshire
KIRK, Ellen Servant F 16 1855 Yorkshire
Piece: 4692
Folio: 5
Page: 4
Registration District: Sheffield
Civil Parish: Brightside Bierlow
Municipal Borough: Sheffield
Address: Rye Bank, Brightside Bierlow, Sheffield
County: Yorkshire


1871
WHITE, Thomas Head M 26 1845 Not Known (Sheep Shear Maker)
WHITE, Matilda Wife F 31 1840 Not Known
WHITE, Matilda Daughter F 3 1868 Yorkshire
WHITE, Isabella Daughter F 1 1870 Yorkshire
MORLEY, Maria Visitor F 49 1822 Yorkshire
Piece: 4677
Folio: 37
Page: 24
Registration District: Sheffield
Civil Parish: Sheffield
Municipal Borough: Sheffield
Address: Thompson's Square, Sheffield
County: Yorkshire
(above family look to be in workhouse 1881, minus Thomas)

Gavin

Gavin Report 4 Feb 2013 21:26

am I just really unlucky in not being able to identify an ancestor from the 1800's? or is it common?
How do all these people on tv trace back 100's of years??

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 4 Feb 2013 21:11

That was the confusion Gavin, I'm afraid, knowing which Burial belonged to which of those GH Births...

Sorry!...

Chris :)

(or should say which of the GHs related to the Burial, if you know what I mean!)

Gavin

Gavin Report 4 Feb 2013 20:57

Regarding George William 9c 457.... his mother could be Eliza instead of Elina

Gavin

Gavin Report 4 Feb 2013 20:52

I have received 3 certificates today;

Chris, is that death definately related to the birth on your last post? I have received the birth cert as one of my 3 today. Does the death show it was the same family?

Gins, the other 2 I received today are as follows;

Births Mar 1871
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White George William Sheffield 9c 457

Born 19th Jan 1871, 201 Carlisle Street, Brightside, Sheffield.
Registered on 17th Feb 1871.
Father is John White (I cant make the occupation out, looks like salesman of something)
Mother is Elina White (formerly Holmes)


Births Sep 1872
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White George Sheffield 9c 466

Born 01st Aug 1872, 4 Marcus Street, Brightside, Sheffield.
Registered on 11th Sep 1872.
Father is John White (Crucible Maker)
Mother is Emma White (formerly Townsend)

Gins

Gins Report 29 Jan 2013 12:58

Gavin

Give the GRO a ring and ask if you can cancel the order for that birth certificate.

Hold your horses with the G W White above, see what the certs say when they come....or you'll be having your box repossessed!

Gavin

Gavin Report 29 Jan 2013 12:48

Bugger....

Chris I just noticed your post, i am guessing the 15th oct 1872 birth you mention is the one I just 'wasted' £9.25 on.... 9c 372..

Shame I cant amend the order now.....

:-(

Gavin

Gavin Report 29 Jan 2013 12:41

what are your thoughts on this one?

George William White - Ecclesall B - Mar 1871 - 9c 322

Gavin

Gavin Report 29 Jan 2013 12:40

Hi Gins,

Already had the George Henry White - Sheffield 9c 384 you mention above, thats the illegitimate one with the mother called Christiana White.

I have just re-mortgaged my cardboard box and ordered the following 3 certs;


Births Dec 1872
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WHITE George Henry Sheffield 9c 372


Births Mar 1871
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White George William Sheffield 9c 457


Births Sep 1872
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White George Sheffield 9c 466

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 29 Jan 2013 12:28

(lol Gins, think I got confused when posting below, ages ago!, couldn't work out who was who, to who!)

Baptism (Find My Past website)
Day:29
Month:Dec
Year:1872
Surname:White
Forename:George Henry
Father:Thomas
Mother:Matilda
Occupation:Sheep Shear Forger
Abode:Portobello Street
Birth day:15
Birth month:Oct
Birth year:1872
Church:Sheffield St Peter & St Paul (Cathedral)
Place:Sheffield
County:Yorkshire
Comments:
Record source:Sheffield Baptisms
Data provider:Sheffield & District Family History Society


Burial
First name(s): George Henry
Last name: WHITE
Date of burial 4 May 1873
Age at death: 15 Months
Calculated year of birth: 1872
Place of burial Sheffield
Dedication: St Mary
County: Yorkshire (West Riding)
Sheffield St Mary:
Denomination: Anglican
Coverage 1830 - 1938
Number of entries: 27,118
Record source: National Burial Index
Data provider: Sheffield & District Family History Society

Chris :)

(shame all aren't on there!)

Gins

Gins Report 29 Jan 2013 11:51

So, it's time to send for the second option that I posted.

The reasoning behind my posting those two deaths is that the reg district is correct for the area your family lived and there are no others births around that time, for the Sheffield district


Now, heres a curve ball!


Births Mar 1872
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White George Henry Sheffield 9c 384


Births Dec 1872
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WHITE George Henry Sheffield 9c 372


Are you sure you want me to help you..I'll have you bankcrupt before too long!

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 28 Jan 2013 07:43

Oh dear Gavin...sorry to see that, bit of a mystery...

Chris :)

Gavin

Gavin Report 27 Jan 2013 20:42

Hi Gins

I finally received the cert for;

Births Sep 1872
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WHITE George William Sheffield 9c 421

Details from cert are as follows;

George William White, born 18th Sept 1872 at 4 Rhodes Street in Sheffield.
Fathers name is also George White, he was a Book Keeper.
Mothers name is Ellen White, formerly Hall.

Not one that fits with my history that I am aware of.

:-(

Gins

Gins Report 20 Jan 2013 19:40

OK, come back when you have it.

Pension, at your age ;-) My dad was in the RAF